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Old 06-13-2009, 12:13 AM
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Not a lot of people talk about set up because it is one of the things that is so varied to each persons natural swing, at least as told my many. I think that you all hear a lot of Tour pro's talk about setup/alignment and thats about as for as it goes. I think that any player that gets the correct setup/alignment will play his best ever but you have to throw weight distribution into the mix because to much left or to much right changes the plane.

Below I have added a very 4 year old photo I drew and yes it looks like my kid who is 4 years old drew it! What it show is a never changing club head line as to its arc, but you will see as the feet change the shoulders and hand arc changes. This to me is why it is important as to the way the hands travel keeping the club plane arc in tact. My self personaly I roll the club open because I don't want to leave my self a chance of hitting it way left and I don't believe hooding the club is a good thing as some think but call it (matching the spin angle). Notice the line through the midde showing ball position the club lean never changes and the ball position is consistant as the angles of the feet and shoulders change. Well just look at the photo and see it from all possible angles as the club lies open, and think of Hogan. Most people think Hogan had his hands behind the ball at address and in fact the angle of the photos or video or playing tricks on your mind! Just something to chew on...
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Old 06-13-2009, 11:48 AM
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Little something I see and teach-

Not a lot of people talk about set up because it is one of the things that is so varied to each persons natural swing, at least as told my many. I think that you all hear a lot of Tour pro's talk about setup/alignment and thats about as for as it goes. I think that any player that gets the correct setup/alignment will play his best ever but you have to throw weight distribution into the mix because to much left or to much right changes the plane.

Below I have added a very 4 year old photo I drew and yes it looks like my kid who is 4 years old drew it! What it show is a never changing club head line as to its arc, but you will see as the feet change the shoulders and hand arc changes. This to me is why it is important as to the way the hands travel keeping the club plane arc in tact. My self personaly I roll the club open because I don't want to leave my self a chance of hitting it way left and I don't believe hooding the club is a good thing as some think but call it (matching the spin angle). Notice the line through the midde showing ball position the club lean never changes and the ball position is consistant as the angles of the feet and shoulders change. Well just look at the photo and see it from all possible angles as the club lies open, and think of Hogan. Most people think Hogan had his hands behind the ball at address and in fact the angle of the photos or video or playing tricks on your mind! Just something to chew on...

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Hogan on arc of approach . . . shifting ball around on the arc to hit different shapes and trajectories but keeping the arc. . . . also SHOULDERS CONTROL PLANE OF THE ARMS . . . great illustration.

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B-golf . . . could you speak to Hogan's "connection" concept? what is your take on that? How does it work . . . what does it do?
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Old 06-13-2009, 02:07 PM
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B-golf . . . could you speak to Hogan's "connection" concept? what is your take on that? How does it work . . . what does it do?
Can you be a little more in detail as to what area or to the effects at what speed or position. Reason I ask I have a lot of info in my little pea size brain and thank God I have written it it al almost down. Just want to answer your question as best as I can.

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Can you be a little more in detail as to what area or to the effects at what speed or position. Reason I ask I have a lot of info in my little pea size brain and thank God I have written it it al almost down. Just want to answer your question as best as I can.

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I guess what I was after is Mr. Hogan seemed to swing his arms very close to his body thru the ball with the club exiting low and left. There are many down the line pictures where the butt cap is hidden by his body but the clubhead is still out and moving low left. His arms seemed to work close and with his body.

Is this something folks should be trying to do? Or is it just part of Mr. Hogan's move? I don't think there's anything that he left to chance in that swing. Just wondering why that particular piece/pieces are there.
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Old 06-14-2009, 06:22 PM
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I guess what I was after is Mr. Hogan seemed to swing his arms very close to his body thru the ball with the club exiting low and left. There are many down the line pictures where the butt cap is hidden by his body but the clubhead is still out and moving low left. His arms seemed to work close and with his body.

Is this something folks should be trying to do? Or is it just part of Mr. Hogan's move? I don't think there's anything that he left to chance in that swing. Just wondering why that particular piece/pieces are there.


I think that LB has it pretty much nailed on the head its' "Aiming Point". Hogan's aiming point was inside left instead of just out of front toe. I see Hogan really pushing the club with his right hand and rotation of the upper trunk controls the face. As for the connection keep upper left arm peck conection and the right was about getting into position on the down swing so he could use the right to push and turn.

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VERY NICE!!!

Hogan on arc of approach . . . shifting ball around on the arc to hit different shapes and trajectories but keeping the arc. . . . also SHOULDERS CONTROL PLANE OF THE ARMS . . . great illustration.

Thanks for posting up.
Burley was ahead of his time on that diagram. It reminds me a lot of Plummer & Bennett's teaching of the point of tangency, as well as Luther BlackLock's radial system. Burley has a lot to offer, and I hope he sticks with TGM and LBG, the only way to fly!

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Who is that in these pictures? It is not Mr. Hogan...
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