To be honest I had never heard of Gary until I just Google him. I watched a few of his video's and liked what I saw, other than that I guess you have to pay to joing his website to learn what his teachings are about right side golf.
What makes Hogan's right foot slide? Well the basic answer would be force but the answer you are looking for in my own words has to be the right knee. I think once the rigth knee starts to fold the spikes are useless as the foot rolls in, but! Hogan knew this and was on a firm left leg. I think he tried to use the inner toe spikes later in the down swing so the foot did not slip, but could not fully because it would hinder the motion of the right hip "Humping The Goat as yall call it". So as he used the last little bit of leverage he had in the right foot or toe to keep from falling back right, the momentom of the everything pulls the foot foward just a little as he then proceed's to post on it for a balanced finish. I hope that helps, if you see something else I would love to hear.
Just to add a quick note for the left side crowd that feel Hogan might have pulled with the left, it is pretty hard on a firm left side to pull with the left. Just for laughts stand on you left leg and lean to the right and try to turn you left hip clear... The right foot, Right Knee, right hand push through - the right hip, right shoulder rotate through! IMO
I'd submit that there is one reason why his right foot slides . . . put your cursor on his left hip at addesss . . . watch where his body is when he finishes . . . Hogan's hips went farther forward than anybody that's ever laced 'em up. That foot is getting DRUG forward by the hip motion, thighs and spine . . . Greg Norman rocks it like that too.
In the set of Hogan's photos that were used in the Life Magazine secret issue, Hogan played a shot standing on kind of mattress...From start up through delivery, you can see the left foot sinking more than the right foot...
It can be related to "The Hogan Way" book in which Mr. John Andrisani mentioned about a "story" Mike Austin told him about Hogan pivoting along the left leg and foot like Jay Broune...and of course, it is also presented in other way out of the book "Final missing piece of Hogan secret Puzzle" by VJ Trolio.
Regarding the siding, when I do the stepping drill, it is so easy to perform the right foot silde. If I push with the right side, it won't.
Just my 2 cents.
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If you cannot take the shoulder down the clubshaft plane, you must take along some other path and add compensations - now, instead of one motion to remember, you wind up with at least two!
In the set of Hogan's photos that were used in the Life Magazine secret issue, Hogan played a shot standing on kind of mattress...From start up through delivery, you can see the left foot sinking more than the right foot...
It can be related to "The Hogan Way" book in which Mr. John Andrisani mentioned about a "story" Mike Austin told him about Hogan pivoting along the left leg and foot like Jay Broune...and of course, it is also presented in other way out of the book "Final missing piece of Hogan secret Puzzle" by VJ Trolio.
Regarding the siding, when I do the stepping drill, it is so easy to perform the right foot silde. If I push with the right side, it won't.
Just my 2 cents.
Someone told me it was felt, kinda like whats under your shingles on a roof, they did not think it would tear up that easy.
I feel the step drill would be a great way to feel the slide, although I still think Hogan's foot slide came mostly from the right knee, right side drive. The right knee actualy drives the foot to its instep and as the right side rotation is being completed it moves the right knee closer to the left closing that gap and makes the right heel post as it supernates.
Also, I talked to a friend of yours that said you meet in Hong Kong and he told me you are a great guy, with all the video you wanta to watch..lol I would agree from what I have read and seen of your stuff.
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Which friend? Who said that I am a good guy, Ben? Paul? I am a hacker...lol
Anyway, from the book "Hogan by Curt Sampson", there is a quoted statement:-
"You know why I'm so goddamn good? I never move my right knee." -Ben Hogan to his caddy
Yes, I also read the book "Afternoon with Mr. Hogan" saying the secret is the right knee push toward the ball...but when I watch Mike Wright told the story that Hogan asked him to bend on the knee behind a girl helping her game, to hold her right knee during the swing, I have questions in my hacker's mind.
The right knee definitely move...another chicken and egg question....move or being moved?
The right side shall support the backward spin tilt, no doubt just like Bruce Lee kick...
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If you cannot take the shoulder down the clubshaft plane, you must take along some other path and add compensations - now, instead of one motion to remember, you wind up with at least two!
Which friend? Who said that I am a good guy, Ben? Paul? I am a hacker...lol
Anyway, from the book "Hogan by Curt Sampson", there is a quoted statement:-
"You know why I'm so goddamn good? I never move my right knee." -Ben Hogan to his caddy
Yes, I also read the book "Afternoon with Mr. Hogan" saying the secret is the right knee push toward the ball...but when I watch Mike Wright told the story that Hogan asked him to bend on the knee behind a girl helping her game, to hold her right knee during the swing, I have questions in my hacker's mind.
The right knee definitely move...another chicken and egg question....move or being moved?
The right side shall support the backward spin tilt, no doubt just like Bruce Lee kick...
It was Paul...! That Bruce Lee is a good one, great vid!
I have talked to Mike Wright about Hogan, I ran some of my thoughts by him before I finished my book and he liked what I had to say. Mike believes Hogan's biggest Secret was his club spec's and the fact he had so much Flex in his wrist. KOC, you know what I think Hogan's Secret was, if you want to call it that. You have read as much of my stuff as I have of yours and I have stayed pretty consistant to what I believe. The back of the right wrist is my thought and after hearing Mike and talking to him about it, then listing to what he had to say...
Back to the right knee though, there are so many ways to look at it and even in video its really more of an educated guess. I think we would both agree on the right knee kicked in @ address, almost straiting by the top, and then folding in on the down swing. Now, was he a rotary/Pusher? I think so!, but I also know that I could be wrong and if thats true, that would take everything I believe or have learned about his swing an distroy everything I think I know.
Thanks for the information. I really appreciated that. Although here is a guy who live in the far east, we love the same guy...Mr. Ben Hogan.
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If you cannot take the shoulder down the clubshaft plane, you must take along some other path and add compensations - now, instead of one motion to remember, you wind up with at least two!
I'd submit that there is one reason why his right foot slides . . . put your cursor on his left hip at addesss . . . watch where his body is when he finishes . . . Hogan's hips went farther forward than anybody that's ever laced 'em up. That foot is getting DRUG forward by the hip motion, thighs and spine . . . Greg Norman rocks it like that too.
This was a very big part of Knudsons teaching. For the right foot to slide, the weight must be left early. Also George really believed in the Three Stations, Address, Top and Finish. He would have a person stand in their Finish position and try to figure where it was uncomfortable for them. His reasoning was that it should be very comfortable or else your body wont go there. He then adjusted things, like the turn of the left foot at address for instance. The right foot drag takes a lot of stretch out of lower body for those that are less flexible and makes getting to Finish way easier and more comfortable.
This was a very big part of Knudsons teaching. For the right foot to slide, the weight must be left early. Also George really believed in the Three Stations, Address, Top and Finish. He would have a person stand in their Finish position and try to figure where it was uncomfortable for them. His reasoning was that it should be very comfortable or else your body wont go there. He then adjusted things, like the turn of the left foot at address for instance. The right foot drag takes a lot of stretch out of lower body for those that are less flexible and makes getting to Finish way easier and more comfortable.
Very interesting, O.B. Canadian George Knudson was one of the finest ball strikers of his generation. I was privileged to watch him play at The Masters and several of the southeastern PGA TOUR stops. Thanks for this insight!
Very interesting, O.B. Canadian George Knudson was one of the finest ball strikers of his generation. I was privileged to watch him play at The Masters and several of the southeastern PGA TOUR stops. Thanks for this insight!
Hah, just three weeks ago you saw me drag my right foot slightly with a driver and exclaimed "KNUDSON !". We never talked about it at the time, but I knew that you knew, that I knew that......
Ill be thinking about you this week Yoda. All the best.
i worked alot with mac ogrady and he definately has that right foot slide as do i with the longer clubs to me all it comes from is simple hogan like me or alot of other players has his legs together in the finish theres no space and they are even it makes me think of doyles catch the dogs tail through the ball in the finish. If you look at the short irons hogan doesnt do it long clubs he does as does knudson seems obvious to me its because the longer clubs he as do i and knudson have wide stances to get the legs together requires the right foot to slide towards the left if the stance is to wide. Also in regards to is hogan a swinger i verse burleys definition of a rotary pusher in my mind hogan is homers definition of a swinger there is different ways to start that swinging motion. T me hogan has the simplest and purest way he gets his weight left in the beginning of his swing some call it a bump but to me he just gets his left knee over his left foot wich involves some rotation as his hands go down his angle of approach down out and forward at the same time then his right elbow gets back to his side and he fires through the ball with his core hips shoulders his whoe pivot and the club releases because of cf a true snap release. watch this clip over and over its so sweet and simple
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