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Old 08-10-2009, 07:33 PM
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JS has a terrific pivot but I see a tremendous amount of hand speed and a phenomenal #2 accumulator.
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Old 08-10-2009, 07:55 PM
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JS has a terrific pivot but I see a tremendous amount of hand speed and a phenomenal #2 accumulator.
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Great video compilation. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 08-10-2009, 08:15 PM
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I have no idea where the article came from, doubt Bio wrote it.

JS can smash that ball, and in the slow mo's I'd swear his hands slow at impact?
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Old 08-10-2009, 09:15 PM
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I have no idea where the article came from, doubt Bio wrote it.

JS can smash that ball, and in the slow mo's I'd swear his hands slow at impact?
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Old 08-10-2009, 09:28 PM
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Does everyone notice by watching the slo-mo's, that none of these guys use a right arm throw or hand throw. None of them unbend the right elbow during the downswing until release (Stable power package). Do you also notice that none of them swing like Hogan with the Upper arms tight to the body.

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Old 08-10-2009, 10:48 PM
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Does everyone notice by watching the slo-mo's, that none of these guys use a right arm throw or hand throw. None of them unbend the right elbow during the downswing until release (Stable power package). Do you also notice that none of them swing like Hogan with the Upper arms tight to the body.
That would be the TSP - turned shoulder plane.
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Does everyone notice by watching the slo-mo's, that none of these guys use a right arm throw or hand throw. None of them unbend the right elbow during the downswing until release (Stable power package). Do you also notice that none of them swing like Hogan with the Upper arms tight to the body.
Yep . . . and many times they can't hit it in a fairway 100 yards wide . . . if you want to hit the ball 400 yards and don't give a ratzazz where it ends up . . . swing like that . . . if you want to hit it far . . . and straight . . . better check out what Mr. Hogan is doing . . . . there are some similarities in the pivot . . . some in the arms . . . . plane angle and shifts are way different . . . as you observe . . . arms in relation to the body are light years different . . . question is why? Is there a reason for it? . . . . that is why I keep asking . . . . biomechanically efficient to WHAT END???
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Old 08-11-2009, 01:14 AM
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No one here said JS is Biomechanically efficient? Don't know where you got that from? I would, as Bio recommends, go for the actions of Hogan any day of the week, I want to hit fairways and greens, not the end of a footy pitch.
To what end you ask? Less injury risk. More efficiency, not just power. Some seem to think Biomechanics is about just hitting harder, this is not so. It is about efficient use of body movement, this may well result in more power. It's about creating a repeatable swing that compresses the ball so that distance control is better, not just distance. Accuracy improves as the regularity of the swing improves. Consistency is built through this training and that leads to better accuracy.
It seems there is much being read into this that has not been stated, this is not about the LD guys.

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Old 08-11-2009, 03:15 AM
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Yep . . . and many times they can't hit it in a fairway 100 yards wide . . . if you want to hit the ball 400 yards and don't give a ratzazz where it ends up . . . swing like that . . . if you want to hit it far . . . and straight . . . better check out what Mr. Hogan is doing . . . . there are some similarities in the pivot . . . some in the arms . . . . plane angle and shifts are way different . . . as you observe . . . arms in relation to the body are light years different . . . question is why? Is there a reason for it? . . . . that is why I keep asking . . . . biomechanically efficient to WHAT END???
Ben Hogans Pivot and Delivery Path match perfectly. If he were to allow his arms to move up and away from his torso, I think he would need to change his Pivot. But, his Pivot includes his sense of balance, timing, power, tempo, etc.

In Fact, his pivot is so designed, that he was able to keep his upper arms close to his Torso side and eliminate all unessential range of motion. Zone 1 and Zone 2 not only separate duties and independent but unified into a single motion. A combination of Regulated Power and Precision.

These Long Driver need huge swings. Super Wide stretched out Arm Range of Motion going high above their heads and except for their shoulders are completely disconnected from their torsos. As their Left heels are lowered they Sit-Down, which Brings the Right Hip forward which transfers weight to the ball of their right foot. They keep their weight right of center and use the ground pressure on the ball of their right foot to force the right hip Rotation just before release which drives the right shoulder, etc. That, and their ability to leg press 1200 pounds, allows the Big Dog to eat.

Both Hogan and the Long Drivers have managed to match Zone 1 components, variations, sequencing and spacing to make the best of Zone 2.

Ben Hogan aspired to be the best golfer.
The Long Drivers aspire to hit the ball as far as they can.

Different Goals, different Swings. The same 24 components.

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Old 08-10-2009, 10:53 PM
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MB,

Great video compilation. Thanks for sharing.
There's more pure Jamie - the swing at 2:46 gives you a feel for his incredible speed.
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