Quote by bioengine:
We teach people how to create better movement patterns not geometry, once we get someones movement patterns right they go back to their coach to apply geometry.
Come-on Bioengine.
If I use my Right Triceps Muscle, that's Work: Physics.
If I Push Up, Down, Out, etc, that's Alignment: Geometry.
Alignment and Work = Mechanics.
When you tell someone what muscles to use...don't you tell them which direction to use them. "Here's where you start..Here's where you end"?
I think what this demonstrates is that there can be wide differences between what different people mean by the same phrase. I think that your application of the terminology is a little simplistic Daryl, which is surprising because your intimate knowledge of TGM indicates that you recognise that we use shorthand to condense complex concepts.
The movement patterns bioengine trains are much more intricate than simple muscle movements like tricep extension. They involve timing, transition of force across body parts, multiple joints and muscle groups being syncronised and working together and opposing each other in an appropriate manner, etc. But you know that already.
Nothing in bioengines training program for me involves him directing me consciously to use certain muscles in a specific direction. It involves me executing a movement - I leave it up to my body how to do that. It learns from doing those movements. And it applies those improved movement patterns when I try and hit a golf ball. The exercises do not involve me hitting a ball, many do not involve a golf club. Many do not mimic golf movements at all, at least not in an obvious way.
Put it this way, if I took a PST exercise to the course and tried to hit the ball that way it would get VERY ugly!
I think what this demonstrates is that there can be wide differences between what different people mean by the same phrase. I think that your application of the terminology is a little simplistic Daryl, which is surprising because your intimate knowledge of TGM indicates that you recognise that we use shorthand to condense complex concepts.
The movement patterns bioengine trains are much more intricate than simple muscle movements like tricep extension. They involve timing, transition of force across body parts, multiple joints and muscle groups being syncronised and working together and opposing each other in an appropriate manner, etc. But you know that already.
Nothing in bioengines training program for me involves him directing me consciously to use certain muscles in a specific direction. It involves me executing a movement - I leave it up to my body how to do that. It learns from doing those movements. And it applies those improved movement patterns when I try and hit a golf ball. The exercises do not involve me hitting a ball, many do not involve a golf club. Many do not mimic golf movements at all, at least not in an obvious way.
Put it this way, if I took a PST exercise to the course and tried to hit the ball that way it would get VERY ugly!
It seems I'm not going to understand Biomechanics training without analysis and lessons.
...this biomechanical analysis system has been developed in the USA and through a series of physical training exercises has lead to an improved performance in adding power to my golf swing.
Previously tested on a Callaway Centre system that indicated I was delivering only 85% efficiency for a drive for example - indicating inefficient impact readouts.
The test was then to alter these alignments with improved technique - I found this almost impossible to achieve through golf lessons etc.
The PST (progressive skills training) somehow shakes the ingrained DNA of inefficient action and with only a few sessions per week I did see a very obvious improvement.
It seems I'm not going to understand Biomechanics training without analysis and lessons.
You could ask bioengine for a webconference. That's what I did and he showed me what they do and what sort of analysis they get out of it. And of course when you can talk it's much easier to understand the concepts and ask clarifying questions.
When this first came to my attention I was thinking "Heard this before - I have the secret!" But as bioengine explained it more and more I got enough confidence to give it a go and invest the money in a screening. I don't regret it (it wasn't a big investment but not spare change either).
I do the exercises but I don't understand why they are effective. They seem too simple. But they are making a difference. The analysis that they will show you as an example is pretty cool too!
Is it possible to accelerate the pivot after impact? Perhaps its a feel isnt real deal? Shouldnt he really be describing himself as 4,1,2+3, then 4 again and then 5? The notion of accelerating the club at a constant rate for as long as you can is a good one but........refiring?
And Bio wouldnt you prefer his pivot to "brake" anyways? Did you measure him?
Is it possible to accelerate the pivot after impact? Perhaps its a feel isnt real deal? Shouldnt he really be describing himself as 4,1,2+3, then 4 again and then 5? The notion of accelerating the club at a constant rate for as long as you can is a good one but........refiring?
And Bio wouldnt you prefer his pivot to "brake" anyways? Did you measure him?
Yeah sure Ob,there's a few things I would like to do with his movement patterns. Although all I did was provide an evaluation.
He's a good friend and was screened out of interest.
Although to be honest we never really had time to talk heavily about movement patterns or how the body moves in the golf swing.
I was drained from being on the road for a month straight with work. We caught up played some golf with the old gear and was awesome fun.
He had a bad day and shot 2 over and I shot 3 over was the first time in 15 years I used the old gear again.
Not bad I hadn't swung a club in two months, was good fun.
Don't worry the guy is a great player and strikes the ball pretty good. Sure he can improve on his movement patterns although we all can.
Daryl,
Movement patterns is how the body moves, we teach people how to train their body to create better movement patterns or develop a good kinetic link.
Geometry isn't our field
My first post. I have a question for Bioengine., in your testing/research of body movements can you determine the intent of the persons mind? In other words can the effect/observation of the lower body moving first be triggered by the intent to use the hands first, as in throwing a ball.
Last edited by footwedge : 11-28-2009 at 07:05 PM.
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