Stationary Head - To be or not to be

[Yoda]

See 7-12 . . . I think that should clear up any interpretation issues. The title of the section is Swing Center TRIPOD. The head does't move, but what is UNDERNEATH it may. And in 1-L #1 it says STATIONARY Post (player's head). The post is IMAGINARY . . . It ain't the spine. It is a line drawn up between the feets and up through the mellon.

The term Swing Center Tripod is found only in the title of 7-12 (the Pivot Component) of the 7th edition. Unfortunately, there is no expanation or reference to this important concept in 7-12. Thus, there is an unfortunate 'disconnect' here, in that the explanation of the SCT can be found only in 2-H (also only in the 7th edition):

The important thing is that the true Swing Center for ALL COMPONENTS is around a Hinge Pin with one end at the top of the Stationary Head and the other in the ground, precisely between the Feet, with no regard for Body Location or Position at any time.

[slicer mcgolf]

The term Swing Center Tripod is found only in the title of 7-12 (the Pivot Component) of the 7th edition. Unfortunately, there is no expanation or reference to this important concept in 7-12. Thus, there is an unfortunate 'disconnect' here, in that the explanation of the SCT can be found only in 2-H (also only in the 7th edition):

The important thing is that the true Swing Center for ALL COMPONENTS is around a Hinge Pin with one end at the top of the Stationary Head and the other in the ground, precisely between the Feet, with no regard for Body Location or Position at any time.

Would this hingepin not be bottomed out at or near low point rather than 'precisely between the feet'?

I have always viewed this swing center being slightly left of center...

[Yoda]

Would this hingepin not be bottomed out at or near low point rather than 'precisely between the feet'?

I have always viewed this swing center being slightly left of center...

In every Golf Stroke, there is a Pivot Center (even when the Pivot is zeroed) and an Arm Swing Center. Respectively, these are the Head (or, if preferred, the 'Point-between-the-Shoulders') and the Left Shoulder.

The Pivot Center lies between the feet. The Low Point (of the Arm Swing) lies opposite the Left Shoulder.

[groverw]

I'm a newb with a stationary head question. Snead is mentioned many times in the thread, one of his traits is the so-called "squat" on the downswing. The "squat" move is now highlighted in Tiger swing analyses.
I wonder how the so-called squat doesn't lower the head vertically?
I accept that a head bob or sway is counterproductive, and would like some informed opinion.
Thanks

[O.B.Left]

Welcome groverw.

Great question too, Ill be interested in the answers you get. Lots of great players with squats. Although most didnt start from Impact Fix but rather some place a little higher up.

Id say that Tigers head was for sure dropping with that big squat. Especially with the driver. His radius, his left shoulder to ball distance was changing dynamically. Low point was lowering. But he doesnt establish his radius at Impact Fix.

Hogan got pretty close to Fix but had some squat. Lyn's got some squat.

Is a little squat a good thing? Can you squat and keep the radius properly measured?

O.b.

[12 piece bucket]

I'm a newb with a stationary head question. Snead is mentioned many times in the thread, one of his traits is the so-called "squat" on the downswing. The "squat" move is now highlighted in Tiger swing analyses.
I wonder how the so-called squat doesn't lower the head vertically?
I accept that a head bob or sway is counterproductive, and would like some informed opinion.
Thanks

1. That squat move shows up in most players who can really bust the ball . . . forces DOWN into the ground and then push UP off the ground . . . like grabbing a rebound . . .

2. That move also helps you get the club coming down the face of the plane delaying the hip rotation

3. Eldrick may accentuate this move due to his set up. He sets up with his neck and back all straight and probably does this move some so he can get the ball focused with his eyes when he makes his down stroke.

[okie]

Adams Scott does point #3. Practically looks down his cheek bones. Maybe he needs more elsquatto! Bucket, Tiger is always presented as the paragon of posture. Do you think the straight neck is more form than function?

[O.B.Left]

Where are his eyes at impact though? Id bet not looking down his cheek bones. I think Homer would want your eye line at impact previewed in fix too, no? So I vote for Form or misguided function maybe.

And agreed its nice have Bucket back posting, he is an expert on this subject. Why just the other day Daryl was saying Bucket new squat. He did, I heard him. Daryl is so kind sometimes.

So Bucket, what are the implications to the radius, bobbing etc when you squat. Do you have to unsquat prior to impact?

[12 piece bucket]

Adams Scott does point #3. Practically looks down his cheek bones. Maybe he needs more elsquatto! Bucket, Tiger is always presented as the paragon of posture. Do you think the straight neck is more form than function?

Who can see? Compare the upper spines and who gots the bobbing for apples faces . . . being able to see is a pretty big deal.