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Old 10-18-2009, 04:08 PM
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OMG. Hopeless. Typical Club Pro.
Who you call'n Pro?

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I know he double Shifts. From a Square Shoulder Plane - up and Back down to a Square shoulder Plane.

The Point I'm making is about the On-Plane Right Shoulder. It drives the Hands onto the same Plane as the Right Shoulder if the Power Package is allowed to drop from the shoulder sockets.

The Point I'm trying to make is that assuming he (his pressure points) are on a Square Shoulder Plane at Top the "shoulder sockets drop" thing you describe is a plane shift in the manner of 1-L-18. Its "The" Plane , The Inclined Plane but its Angle Shifts. Those "shoulder socket drop" hatched lines you draw are illustrative in a 1 D pen on paper sense but the truth is seen in 3d perspective with animation. This is Homers Inclined Plane and its angle changes. Dynamically and according to our own Pattern. You could do a unique animation for any golfer from Jim Furyk to Lee Trevino.




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The Clubhead will follow also. So, all that one needs, to have all of the Power Package components on Plane, is "get the Right Shoulder On Plane and have the pivot force it Down-plane". Unbending the left arm before release wrecks the stroke by lowering the Hands to a shallower plane.
If you get the Power Package on the same plane as the Right Shoulder at Top you are on a TSP of one angle or another. The closer this particular angle that you have pre selected approximates the Elbow Plane the less the Plane Angle shift required to get the Power Package onto the Elbow Plane prior to Impact. The Canadian guy does this nicely with a rather steepish Elbow Plane Angle at Impact helping to lessen the Angle shift required. I agree that it does appear to be almost shiftless in the Downstroke.

You can not unbend the Right Elbow prior to Release. Why? Because unbending the Right Elbow is by definition its, #1's , Release.

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Am I the Only guy in the world that gets this?
QUITE POSSIBLY. But then again, its is your theory after all.

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Old 10-18-2009, 07:24 PM
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The Point I'm trying to make is that assuming he (his pressure points) are on a Square Shoulder Plane at Top the "shoulder sockets drop" thing you describe is a plane shift in the manner of 1-L-18. Its "The" Plane , The Inclined Plane but its Angle Shifts. Those "shoulder socket drop" hatched lines you draw are illustrative in a 1 D pen on paper sense but the truth is seen in 3d perspective with animation. This is Homers Inclined Plane and its angle changes. Dynamically and according to our own Pattern. You could do a unique animation for any golfer from Jim Furyk to Lee Trevino.
The Dashed Line in frame two represents his double Plane Shift and not the "Shoulder Sockets Drop Thing".

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7-7 PLANE ANGLE VARIATIONS ...........During any Shift of Planes the Clubshaft is held On Plane with the Plane Line as though the Plane itself were moving to the new location. Other controlled procedures that achieve On Plane Impact may be more difficult but need not be deemed improper. Such as positioning the Clubshaft at The Top of the Plane Angle intended for Release. And study 2-N.
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10-7-0 GENERAL Plane Angle Variations are classified according to the shifts in Plane Angle of the Stroke path. A shift may be made (1) during the Backstroke (2) during the Downstroke, or (3) at the Top of the Stroke.
I understand how the Plane angle may vary yet the base line of the Plane stays straight and remains unchanged.

Homer is saying that as your Hand Path Changes, the Clubshaft Angle should Change to Match. Which is contrary to 1-L#18 because the initial path of an Elbow Planer Double Shifter is to have his hands drop almost straight down from the Top of his Swing and not anywhere close to the Plane-line. But, he says, also, that if you know how to control the procedure, set the Clubshaft onto the Impact Angle and keep it at that Angle throughout the Stroke regardless that it doesn't point to the Baseline of the Plane until RELEASE which again, is contrary to 1-L#18 because throughout the down-stroke, the shaft is pointing into the cosmos but never at the Plane Line.

This is why Plane Angle Shifts are Hazardous. In order to remain in control, the Shaft angle and Hand Path should be the same which can only occur if the Hand Path can follow a Straight Line Path to the Baseline. Review the Iceman Picture.



Your response missed my point completely. I was saying that the Right Shoulder, being forced down-plane by the pivot, will align the Hand Path and Clubshaft onto the same Plane if you allow it to.

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Old 10-18-2009, 07:45 PM
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Who you call'n Pro?
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You can not unbend the Right Elbow prior to Release. Why? Because unbending the Right Elbow is by definition its, #1's , Release.
Not from the Top. At your own risk. The Right Arm Throw is a Trigger. If started at Start-Down it prevents the Downstroke Acceleration Sequence. Use it from the Top with a Non-Pivot Stroke.



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QUITE POSSIBLY. But then again, its is your theory after all.
It's not my theory. It's TGM. Winter is coming. You'll have time to finally read the Book. You should buy a copy.
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Old 10-18-2009, 09:57 PM
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It's not my theory. It's TGM. Winter is coming. You'll have time to finally read the Book. You should buy a copy.
Boogernose, you have all seven editions. Didnt help you any!

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Old 10-19-2009, 06:42 AM
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Boogernose, you have all seven editions. Didnt help you any!
I'm missing 2&3.

No matter what you say, I'm impressed with your two big wins this year. Again; Congratulations.

That entitles you to write a book. Perhaps a "Pop-Up".
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Old 10-20-2009, 01:30 PM
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I'm missing 2&3.

No matter what you say, I'm impressed with your two big wins this year. Again; Congratulations.

That entitles you to write a book. Perhaps a "Pop-Up".
Ah speaking of Pops. Being an old hockey player I normally pull the guys sweater over his face and then pop him. Its much easier for him that way, he doesnt have to watch. Next time we have dinner please wear you Black Hawks sweater. Jeff will help out too, i bet. Those Sabers fans like a good scrap. Old time hockey, eh.
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Ah speaking of Pops. Being an old hockey player I normally pull the guys sweater over his face and then pop him. Its much easier for him that way, he doesnt have to watch. Next time we have dinner please wear you Black Hawks sweater. Jeff will help out too, i bet. Those Sabers fans like a good scrap. Old time hockey, eh.
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