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Old 01-05-2010, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RLLANDRUM View Post
Was fortunate enough to take a couple of lessons from Mr. Tom Tomasello in Myrtle Beach (Dear Track) about 20 years ago. He indicated to me I was double cocking my right wrist. I was cocking it back and up, instead of just back. From what I can recall he indicated it was causing me to hit a pull. Can anyone explain why this would be? Of maybe someone has another opinion!
Double cocking moves the right forearm flying wedge off plane. I tend to hit pulls when I double cock.
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Old 03-08-2010, 01:54 PM
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Double cocking moves the right forearm flying wedge off plane. I tend to hit pulls when I double cock.
Is pulling my right elbow back given a proper stance, automatically the elbow plane given impact hands being formed?
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Old 03-08-2010, 08:53 PM
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Is pulling my right elbow back given a proper stance, automatically the elbow plane given impact hands being formed?
Right forearm goes back,up, and in. If you are not sure trace the plane line with a flashlight attached to your right forearm.
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Old 03-09-2010, 12:13 AM
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Right forearm goes back,up, and in. If you are not sure trace the plane line with a flashlight attached to your right forearm.
Yes thats the best and easiest answer, ICT. But if you'll allow a far more long winded and therefore stupid reply:

Point the #3 Presure Point , the Sweetspot Plane ( or the clubshaft if you prefer, though its not quite correct technically ) at the Plane Line as you Fan and Bend your Right Forearm and Elbow. This pointing is referred to as Tracing the Plane Line. That is job #1 going back assuming you want to be on plane. If your Right Forearm is on the Inclined Plane at Impact Fix or Address prior to Tracing , you are off to a great start.

Plane Line Tracing is more critical than Plane Angle considerations of which there are options. With the Right Forearm Flying Wedge intact , On Plane and Tracing the Plane Line it is both a strong, superior in fact, mechanical alignment (think construction cranes, load bearing arms etc) and geometrically (plane line) compliant. Force and Direction. Physics and Geometry. The #3 pp is both Thrust and Direction.

To see the need structuraly for the RFFW, press a club head against a door jam or the edge of a rubber hitting mat or something. From a impact like postion try to bend the shaft as much as you can with your Pivot and/or Right Arm. You'll find Homers alignments appear pretty quickly. Your grip and alignments will move around automatically to reveal Homer's RFFW, left thumb down the aft of the shaft, #1 pp thrusting , #3 sensing the resistance etc etc etc its all there. They arent opinion or preference they are just mechanical, structural reality. My good friend, Dooger actually bends the shaft like this into the ground prior to addressing the ball when playing. He doesnt know anything about HOmer Kelley, doesnt want to, but he can flat out compress the ball with his alignments. I curse the guys existance sometimes. Fortuneatly Doogie was not in attendance when the Golf Gods were handing out putting acumen. One of the Lords tender mercies for all who play him.

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Old 03-09-2010, 02:16 AM
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May I apologize profusely for the genius=short comment, comment?


It was late, last call in fact, her hand was on my TALY and my beer was warm...

I pulled my right elbow straight back today to the shoulder line and pretended I was Yoda actually trying to channel him...

Strong tripod...the ball felt like a marshmellow and went down the middle (5 iron) 170 yards on the fly with a range ball! Impact hands and extended right elbow driven into the ball through the ball like a mad piston...

Lots more marshmellows reaching my previous maximums down the middle and it is March and 55 degrees!

Kevin encouraged me to read the right arm magic pdf.

I am so happy and so not a genius. I know my accumulators are all out of whack but my short left/front leg gives me some momentum I think like an automatic forward press. I barely rotated and did a Moe Norman finish with full weight on my front leg and rear toe up!

But can I do it tomorrow?

Thanks!



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Yes thats the best and easiest answer, ICT. But if you'll allow a far more long winded and therefore stupid reply:

Point the #3 Presure Point , the Sweetspot Plane ( or the clubshaft if you prefer, though its not quite correct technically ) at the Plane Line as you Fan and Bend your Right Forearm and Elbow. This pointing is referred to as Tracing the Plane Line. That is job #1 going back assuming you want to be on plane. If your Right Forearm is on the Inclined Plane at Impact Fix or Address prior to Tracing , you are off to a great start.

Plane Line Tracing is more critical than Plane Angle considerations of which there are options. With the Right Forearm Flying Wedge intact , On Plane and Tracing the Plane Line it is both a strong, superior in fact, mechanical alignment (think construction cranes, load bearing arms etc) and geometrically (plane line) compliant. Force and Direction. Physics and Geometry. The #3 pp is both Thrust and Direction.

To see the need structuraly for the RFFW, press a club head against a door jam or the edge of a rubber hitting mat or something. From a impact like postion try to bend the shaft as much as you can. You'll find Homers alignments pretty quickly. Your grip and alignments will move around automatically to reveal Homer's RFFW, left thumb down the aft of the shaft, #1 pp thrusting , #3 sensing the resistance etc etc etc its all there. They arent opinion or preference they are just mechanical, structural reality. My good friend, Dooger actually bends the shaft like this into the ground prior to addressing the ball when playing. He doesnt know anything about HOmer Kelley, doesnt want to, but he can flat out compress the ball with his alignments. I curse the guys existance sometimes. Fortuneatly Doogie was not in attendance when the Golf Gods were handing out putting acumen. One of the Lords tender mercies for all who play him.
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Old 03-09-2010, 02:25 AM
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And I did practice my waggle


over the ball to feel the pp#3 over and over trying to keep the sense of it as I extended my elbow. When I only concentrated on the elbow, the shots were less efficient.





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Yes thats the best and easiest answer, ICT. But if you'll allow a far more long winded and therefore stupid reply:

Point the #3 Presure Point , the Sweetspot Plane ( or the clubshaft if you prefer, though its not quite correct technically ) at the Plane Line as you Fan and Bend your Right Forearm and Elbow. This pointing is referred to as Tracing the Plane Line. That is job #1 going back assuming you want to be on plane. If your Right Forearm is on the Inclined Plane at Impact Fix or Address prior to Tracing , you are off to a great start.

Plane Line Tracing is more critical than Plane Angle considerations of which there are options. With the Right Forearm Flying Wedge intact , On Plane and Tracing the Plane Line it is both a strong, superior in fact, mechanical alignment (think construction cranes, load bearing arms etc) and geometrically (plane line) compliant. Force and Direction. Physics and Geometry. The #3 pp is both Thrust and Direction.

To see the need structuraly for the RFFW, press a club head against a door jam or the edge of a rubber hitting mat or something. From a impact like postion try to bend the shaft as much as you can. You'll find Homers alignments pretty quickly. Your grip and alignments will move around automatically to reveal Homer's RFFW, left thumb down the aft of the shaft, #1 pp thrusting , #3 sensing the resistance etc etc etc its all there. They arent opinion or preference they are just mechanical, structural reality. My good friend, Dooger actually bends the shaft like this into the ground prior to addressing the ball when playing. He doesnt know anything about HOmer Kelley, doesnt want to, but he can flat out compress the ball with his alignments. I curse the guys existance sometimes. Fortuneatly Doogie was not in attendance when the Golf Gods were handing out putting acumen. One of the Lords tender mercies for all who play him.
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Old 03-21-2010, 12:49 AM
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So that's why Moe Norman extended his arms?!
The other day a boy at school was crying in terror. The girls were speaking to him in Spanish. His answer came out in English. "My dad was so mad at me. He said when I got home he is going to kill me by tazing me." We reported this, of course, and got him an extra carton of chocolate milk. He was in school the next day and was fine.

I watched a long film clip about the life of Moe Norman. Can you imagine the terror of a little boy hit by a car and dragged underneath? Moe Norman stated in that interview that he hit millions of golf balls and was never injured. He simply listened to his body after every round of practice as he soaked in a tub and changed his routine the next day. He seemed pretty happy about that. There was a time when he was not safe and happy. He wanted golf to be safe and effective and he figured out how to do it.

Planting the front foot and shifting parallel to the target line allows the pivot to flow as the body is constructed. Do you then extend the right arm straight forward to be efficient or do you use a 45 degree angle?

Patrick





Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Yes thats the best and easiest answer, ICT. But if you'll allow a far more long winded and therefore stupid reply:

Point the #3 Presure Point , the Sweetspot Plane ( or the clubshaft if you prefer, though its not quite correct technically ) at the Plane Line as you Fan and Bend your Right Forearm and Elbow. This pointing is referred to as Tracing the Plane Line. That is job #1 going back assuming you want to be on plane. If your Right Forearm is on the Inclined Plane at Impact Fix or Address prior to Tracing , you are off to a great start.

Plane Line Tracing is more critical than Plane Angle considerations of which there are options. With the Right Forearm Flying Wedge intact , On Plane and Tracing the Plane Line it is both a strong, superior in fact, mechanical alignment (think construction cranes, load bearing arms etc) and geometrically (plane line) compliant. Force and Direction. Physics and Geometry. The #3 pp is both Thrust and Direction.

To see the need structuraly for the RFFW, press a club head against a door jam or the edge of a rubber hitting mat or something. From a impact like postion try to bend the shaft as much as you can with your Pivot and/or Right Arm. You'll find Homers alignments appear pretty quickly. Your grip and alignments will move around automatically to reveal Homer's RFFW, left thumb down the aft of the shaft, #1 pp thrusting , #3 sensing the resistance etc etc etc its all there. They arent opinion or preference they are just mechanical, structural reality. My good friend, Dooger actually bends the shaft like this into the ground prior to addressing the ball when playing. He doesnt know anything about HOmer Kelley, doesnt want to, but he can flat out compress the ball with his alignments. I curse the guys existance sometimes. Fortuneatly Doogie was not in attendance when the Golf Gods were handing out putting acumen. One of the Lords tender mercies for all who play him.
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:18 PM
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Thanks Patrick and O.B. for this discussion. The drill of getting into that static impact position (I guess it is really dynamic if one is actively exerting pressure)seems to be a wonderful way to test the efficiency of one's grip. I'll use it on my boys at practice.
First day of high school practice is tomorrow. "C'mon boys, I'd like to introduce you to some flying wedges, some pressure points and some dragging mops.
I'm so excited I'm breaking out in hives.
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Old 03-09-2010, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mb6606 View Post
Double cocking moves the right forearm flying wedge off plane. I tend to hit pulls when I double cock.

Just realized this topic is actually about double cocking the Right Wrist. I read Left for some reason. mb is right on the money again.

But if I may, I believe he is referring not to the Inclined Plane but to the Plane of the Right Hand Bend, the Plane of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge, which will not be kept intact when the Right Wrist is cocked (in addition to any bending). So dont do it! It doesnt add much in the way of power, physics and totally destroys the geometry if not corrected by Impact. A consistency robber at the very least.


With your RFFW and a club laid on a table top, any cocking of the Right Wrist will take the clubshaft off the table top! Ideally the Left Hand cocks only , the Right Hand bends only (assuming you dont start at Fix in which case it is frozen in the necessary amount of bend established at Impact Fix). Its a weird concept at first, counter intuitive. Dont cock em both. Spread your hands wide apart on the club to see how its possible via Right Elbow Bending to cock the Left Wrist without cocking the Right. The shortening of the Right Side cocks the Left Wrist. Law of the Triangle. Homer said that all concepts could be thought of as 2D geometric shapes which as an aside, can lie on the Inclined Plane. Bending the Plane makes the shapes 3D. Not a good thing.

Back to the original topic. Dont want to get busted by the Thread Jack police. But I snuck some encoded messages in there for you Innercity. Dont tell anyone. Rub some lemon over these thoughts and tell her to get her hands off your Taly.

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