With Horizontal (Closing Only) and Vertical (Layback only) Hinging, both Club Face and Club Head rotate around the same Hinge Pin (both are Centerd Motions). Because Angled Hinging produces both Layback and Closing at the same time, it is an uncentered motion and has a built in Slice tendency. Simply close the Clubface at Impact Fix (more for longer clubs, less for shorter clubs) to avoid this and you will be a happy camper.
I think this is the reason for fade (or push fade?) of hitters, yet I cannot understand what is written because of my lack of TGM knowledge; I will slowly digest this notion.
In the mean time, I will follow your suggestion of closing a clubface. But how should I close the clubface at impact fix: by using strong left grip or rolling a left forearm or something else?
DK your geometry is good, I can tell. Dont worry about your noggin, this is the place for "head spinning" , my brain is normally mushed like one of those poor NASA guys riding the rocket centrifuge.
The "Out" of Three Dimensional Impact is very real as is the "Down" and the "Forward" of course. By virtue of the fact that we are traveling an Inclined Plane. Picture it from a down the line point of view, your clubhead could not be on an Inclined Plane and travel Down without traveling Out (towards the plane line) at the same time. A truly horizontal plane would have forward and out, no down. A vertical plane would have no out. So in regard to the Out, just go Down all the way and the Out will take care of itself given your plane of motion.
Thanks for explanation. Now I understand the "out" part. But it leads me to one more question: why is the on-plane swing not "cross-line" at the impact point?
I think this is the reason for fade (or push fade?) of hitters, yet I cannot understand what is written because of my lack of TGM knowledge; I will slowly digest this notion.
In the mean time, I will follow your suggestion of closing a clubface. But how should I close the clubface at impact fix: by using strong left grip or rolling a left forearm or something else?
Thanks,
DK
Rolling the grip in the hands. So situation normal except for slightly closed face (to a degree you arrive at via trial and error).
Thanks for explanation. Now I understand the "out" part. But it leads me to one more question: why is the on-plane swing not "cross-line" at the impact point?
Thanks,
DK
The Thrust or Action can be cross-line, but the motion is on-line.
As long as the ball is hit before low point, it is considered an In-Side Out Impact, but not an Inside Out Stroke unless the Plane Line and Line of Flight are not one in the same.
Thanks for explanation. Now I understand the "out" part. But it leads me to one more question: why is the on-plane swing not "cross-line" at the impact point?
Thanks,
DK
It is in a manner of speaking. Although In TGM speak "Cross Line" is reserved for a different consideration, more on that later. To your point about straight away ball flight, for balls addressed back of low point the clubhead will travel an arc (assuming arc of approach method) that extends down and out to low point. Post low point it will travel a similar arc up and in. Interestingly the divot will look straight at the hole. Although I have noticed that if you turn the divot over you can see a little arc to it. If you were to swing without this Down Out and Forward , Arc of Approach and instead "steer" your clubhead straight towards the hole , your divot would point left of the hole. This sadly, is by far the most common divot direction and no doubt due to false logic about swinging straight at the hole. See "steering" when you buy your book.
Oh ya, both "on line" and "cross line" are On Plane really, just different planes. For straight away ball flight, "on-line" despite the Out, Down, Forward you still trace (point at) a straight Plane Line. Whereas for curved flight you will construct a different plane, Cross Line to the original. A new Plane for you to travel, with a new Plane Line for you to "trace" and having its own associated Out, Down , Forward Club Head Orbit , Three Dimensional Impact (which is fantastic to feel).
I set up with a slightly closed club face and bend the plane line to the right, giving me a draw flight. If I want to hit a fade, I set up with a square face and on a straight plane line.
Over the weekend, I was trying to figure out why I kept pushing many shots right like a lazer beam. My face was square to the target. It even happened with my short irons. I was upset.
However, when I simply drove my fixed impact into the ball in a straight down motion, the ball flew straight until I put it too far back in the stance.
When I teed the ball up for the driver and came down to close to it I produced the dreaded hook. So I teed the ball down (well below the top of the club) beehind my front shoulder and produced a bb on purpose. Even thought the ground was wet, that shot skidded about 20 yards after it hit. About 230 yards.
Did I mention how much fun I am having with this?
Tomorrow, I will hit my drive off the deck and 1/2 inch high. I'll also try to underhand throw/hit it straight up to the moon for yucks! Keep you posted.
Patrick
Originally Posted by tball88
I'm the rare breed of hitter who draws the ball.
I set up with a slightly closed club face and bend the plane line to the right, giving me a draw flight. If I want to hit a fade, I set up with a square face and on a straight plane line.
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many shots right like a lazer beam. My face was square to the target. It even happened with my short irons. I was upset.
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