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Old 05-20-2010, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by EdZ View Post
Without driving Bucket too nuts....

What Ben does works because of his grip. If you dont have a stronger left hand, I agree with your view - forget it - but if you do, you can add some serious mass to impact with that angle, and that hip motion.

His move is based on a grip taken 'naturally' at impact fix. His impact fix, the way the left hand hangs down to align the left arm wedge, and the right arm wedge.

I don't debate the usefulness of describing a F/L/V left wrist for many, but some may benefit from looking at things from the left arm wedge. That is what Ben is doing IMO.

Not saying that is good/bad, the way to do it, just that is what I see in his move.

Who has that much angle that late though . . . that you've ever heard of? Plus the face is looking at the ground.

Seems like a good way to swing if you wanna hit the ball low and don't care where it goes.
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Old 05-20-2010, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket View Post
Who has that much angle that late though . . . that you've ever heard of? Plus the face is looking at the ground.

Seems like a good way to swing if you wanna hit the ball low and don't care where it goes.


Lots of guys have that much angle, but the only reason Ben keeps it late is the amount of axis tilt hit adds.

Couples is the only person I can think of that grips it closer to how Ben does, and he's done alright (again, without as much axis tilt)

As long as the finish swivel is after both arms straight, the face can face the ground without issues.
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Lots of guys have that much angle, but the only reason Ben keeps it late is the amount of axis tilt hit adds.

Couples is the only person I can think of that grips it closer to how Ben does, and he's done alright (again, without as much axis tilt)

As long as the finish swivel is after both arms straight, the face can face the ground without issues.


I'd argue the opposite on the axis tilt . . . Ben doesn't have that amount of lag because of his axis tilt . . . he tilts BACKWARDS because he has that much accumulator lag that late.

Not sure I'm buying this Sladwadski or whatever his name is for a model . . . . he's got a fairway a couple of hundred yards wide . . . and misses the whole dang thing sometimes . . . Next example please

AND . . . his face looks better'n ole Ben's . . . . Bottom line . . . Doyle flashes the face . . .
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