I've only caught a bit of the details on this, but had a question for those that watched it.
Was there a rake in the 'bunker'?
Is there any official or local rule about having rakes available in an area deemed a 'bunker' vs a waste area?
Seems to me the standard is that having a rake signals bunker, not having one signals waste area.
(especially when the crowd is allowed to walk in/on the area, which as far as I know, spectators aren't usually allowed to walk in any areas considered bunkers).
Regardless, a sad outcome for Dustin, one that I'm sure he and his caddy won't make again.
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I've only caught a bit of the details on this, but had a question for those that watched it.
Was there a rake in the 'bunker'?
Is there any official or local rule about having rakes available in an area deemed a 'bunker' vs a waste area?
Seems to me the standard is that having a rake signals bunker, not having one signals waste area.
(especially when the crowd is allowed to walk in/on the area, which as far as I know, spectators aren't usually allowed to walk in any areas considered bunkers).
Regardless, a sad outcome for Dustin, one that I'm sure he and his caddy won't make again.
Ed,
Does the this rule, given to every competitor change your view on what they considered a bunker for the week?
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Bunkers: All areas of the course that were designed and built as sand bunkers will be played as bunkers (hazards), whether or not they have been raked. This will mean that many bunkers positioned outside of the ropes, as well as some areas of bunkers inside the ropes, close to the rope line, will likely include numerous footprints, heel prints and tire tracks during the play of the Championship. Such irregularities of surface are a part of the game and no free relief will be available from these conditions.
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I guess the question is, how can a player know if an area was designed as a bunker, or as a waste area, if the gallery is allowed to walk there, and there are no rakes?
Unless it was also clear that there were no areas considered waste areas on the course? or that any area with sand was to be considered a bunker?
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I guess the question is, how can a player know if an area was designed as a bunker, or as a waste area, if the gallery is allowed to walk there, and there are no rakes?
Unless it was also clear that there were no areas considered waste areas on the course? or that any area with sand was to be considered a bunker?
Not only allowed to walk in the bunkers but also allowed to stand in them while a player is hitting. I imagine it would've been hard to identify that as a bunker even without spectators covering most of it.
That local rule reads to me as if they are primarily addressing the issue of relief, not what is and isn't a bunker. A sandy area caused by spectator traffic would not fall under the definition of a bunker in that local rule, as it would not have been a designed hazard.
All the players were warned beforehand that if they were in something sandy, it would probably be a hazard. And it wasn't excactly written with fine print either.
All the players were warned beforehand that if they were in something sandy, it would probably be a hazard. And it wasn't excactly written with fine print either.
They can read, can't they?
That's just it. If the rule had said "all sandy areas are considered bunkers", I'd be with you 100%.
Given the area was completely covered with people, there were no rakes, and the rule only talked about 'areas designed as bunkers', I just don't see a clear way players could determine what was and wasn't considered a bunker.
No markers, no rakes, a large crowd, foot prints.
And a young player trying to focus and win after a tough finish in the U.S. Open.
How many of those who watched it looked at his lie and said to themselves "hey, he's in a bunker"?
Not many I'd bet, since you couldn't see his surroundings much with all the people.
What would a reasonable person assume based on what you saw on tv before he finished 18 and learned about the ruling?
I understand the rule, and I understand the ruling, but I don't think it was reasonable at all and I think Dustin got screwed.
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That's just it. If the rule had said "all sandy areas are considered bunkers", I'd be with you 100%.
Given the area was completely covered with people, there were no rakes, and the rule only talked about 'areas designed as bunkers', I just don't see a clear way players could determine what was and wasn't considered a bunker.
No markers, no rakes, a large crowd, foot prints.
And a young player trying to focus and win after a tough finish in the U.S. Open.
How many of those who watched it looked at his lie and said to themselves "hey, he's in a bunker"?
Not many I'd bet, since you couldn't see his surroundings much with all the people.
What would a reasonable person assume based on what you saw on tv before he finished 18 and learned about the ruling?
I understand the rule, and I understand the ruling, but I don't think it was reasonable at all and I think Dustin got screwed.
But for the fact that he directed a "spectator(s)" to block the sun, Which is another rule he clearly violated , and was not called on it. I MIGHT agree some. But it evened out or worked to his advantage.
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