I do agree that most Hitters have some pulling going on, Bernt. But not necessarily all of them. And so , I think to be perfectly accurate you'd have to change the "is" to "can be" in your statement above.
Drive Loading is Pushing and Drag Loading is Pulling and thats all. To paraphrase Homer Kelley. Axe handle vs Rope Handle , Radial vs Longitudinal.
Homer was careful to make the distinction between Drive vs Drag in his "bare bones" identification of the alternate Basic Patterns of 12-1 and 12-2. He didnt label them Hitting and Swinging, after all. 12-1 isnt the only way to Hit but its the bare boned fundamental , Push only place to start. A place from which to graduate and build upon or a place to happily stay forever. Its up to you. There's nothing wrong with 12-1 somewhat rare though it is. Homer thought we'd all become Drive Loading enthusiasts actually. He loved it that much. Most of us dont give it enough of a chance maybe. Perhaps its hard to turn off all the pulling we've been doing previously. Perhaps its the pivot centric golf magazines or the effects of acid rain? I dont know.
O.B., is 4 barrell hitting, like YODA, pulling with #4 from top then pushing with #1, or is it just a feeling of using #4 along with #1?
Thanks,
Kevin
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O.B., is 4 barrell hitting, like YODA, pulling with #4 from top then pushing with #1, or is it just a feeling of using #4 along with #1?
Thanks,
Kevin
But even if the beginning of the downswing is initiated by a pull it cannot release the club via CF or you could never use the pushing force of the right arm.
Watch a guy like Mickelson and VJ, their right arm is barely able to keep up, they could not be a four barrel player even if they wanted to.
I see why its very tricky to be a four barrel player, you have to blast off with #4 but with so much force that you outrace the right arm and have the club release without #1.
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But even if the beginning of the downswing is initiated by a pull it cannot release the club via CF or you could never use the pushing force of the right arm.
Watch a guy like Mickelson and VJ, their right arm is barely able to keep up, they could not be a four barrel player even if they wanted to.
I see why its very tricky to be a four barrel player, you have to blast off with #4 but with so much force that you outrace the right arm and have the club release without #1.
Hi Greg,
That must be why Yoda says you can be a 4 barrel hitter but not a 4 barrel swinger??? I'm just trying to figure out when a 4 barrel hitter fires #4, or at least what the "feel" is...
Kevin
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That must be why Yoda says you can be a 4 barrel hitter but not a 4 barrel swinger??? I'm just trying to figure out when a 4 barrel hitter fires #4, or at least what the "feel" is...
Kevin
Thats my understanding as well.
You have to move the right shoulder down plane as the launching pad for me that seems like a pull with the left side/shoulder/hip would facilitate this so it seems natural to have all four barrels for a hitter. I guess its a timing thing of the pull-push that might not be the best component pattern.
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But even if the beginning of the downswing is initiated by a pull it cannot release the club via CF or you could never use the pushing force of the right arm.
Watch a guy like Mickelson and VJ, their right arm is barely able to keep up, they could not be a four barrel player even if they wanted to.
I see why its very tricky to be a four barrel player, you have to blast off with #4 but with so much force that you outrace the right arm and have the club release without #1.
Id imagine they let the right hand drop off so it cant push. Their #1 pp has dropped off but the #3pp is still attached.
CF throwout requires you to not push , CF wants to go slow , the right arm wants to speed it up by pushing hard. Id say pushing annuls/ruins CF not the other way around.
In terms of 4 B vs 3B Hitting........its a matter of whether or not the Right Shoulder is moving through the shot. 3B the right shoulder is like a launching pad that is more or less parked (it isnt really but its motion is just that motion as opposed to work) . 4B the Right Shoulder is working which makes timing more difficult. Luke has an analogy to jumping off a parked car vs jumping off a car thats on the move. Why he'd want to do that I dont know. He's crazy.
So I use two throws, Shoulder Throw then Right Arm Throw.
Speaking of Luke , when he rebuilt swing er Hit.........he started with Chip Basic , did nothing but Chip Basic for a month or so. Then he went to Acquired , then Total Motion. He built it from the ground up. And he was a seasoned PGA teaching professional at the time. So we amateur enthusiasts have no excuses. If we want to improve we must start at the beginning...... 12-1 or 2 and 12-5. Dont move past 12-1 until you have mastered it. Dont move past Chip Basic until you have mastered it. You can play some great golf with a 2 B pattern.
O.B., is 4 barrell hitting, like YODA, pulling with #4 from top then pushing with #1, or is it just a feeling of using #4 along with #1?
Thanks,
Kevin
Drag then Drive would be four accumulators yes. Pulling then pushing in feel and in real. Overlapping Release with the Right Arm Throw. Its "pushing" but the arm motion itself is really more similar to a side arm throw. Fanning and bending not just an inline Push Basic thing. Shot putting. You pull with your Pivot , ground up and Drag the Hands down Plane .......it feels to me like the pivot pulls the #2pp. With the left hand turned to plane. The Lag Loaded at the knuckle along the top of the shaft. The shaft bending along the top/bottom axis with the change in direction.......Homer described it as "throwing the club against your knuckle" somewhere......cant find it. You feel the PIvot pull at the #2pp and the #3 at the Knuckle senses the Lag PRESSURE, the inertia to the change in directions. The pivot (Slide with a Delayed Turn) stops the Hands backwards travel so I try to Slide early in a Trolio Hogan kinda way. Axis Tilt lowering the Right Shoulder. The slide gets my weight on my left side early if it doesnt just stay there (depends on the shot) All the stuff of the Startdown Waggle, the best drill in golf.
Yoda stops at Top Hitting or Swinging ..... I sure like that but still go all the way to End, changes are hard to make. So I have to work a lot harder to not Release too early. He's Snap, Im Random Sweep. Yoda's first and foremost a Drag Loading Swinger so he's got that Active Left Wrist thing whereas Im more Right Elbow. I see golf as a right sided game with a frozen right wrist. He's got a world class flail , I dont. I cant hit a shot with just my left arm on the club to save my life. Its something Im going to do a lot of over the winter actually. I want to get more Longitudinal, rope Handle to Delay Release. There is no CF throwout during Longitudinal .....once the club moves outside the hands it Releases. Just topples over.
I havent noticed any significant distance increase really. Im just as long three barrel Id say. I have it all ramped way down though compared to some of the guys Luke teaches who are leaving nothing behind. There's a difference. Im smooth and slow like say Ernie Els (and far too frequently like Ernie of Bert and Ernie )
Drag then Drive would be four accumulators yes. Overlapping Release with the Right Arm Throw. But before you get all excited about winning the Remax, I havent noticed any significant distance increase. I have it all ramped way down though compared to the guys like Luke teaches who are leaving nothing behind. There's a difference. Im smooth and slow like say Ernie Els (and quite often like Ernie of Bert and Ernie too.)
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Thanks OB. The speed YODASLUKE creates is amazing!
BTW, I have no illusions of winning the REMAX, I just want to be able to keep it up with the girl scouts again!
Kevin
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Thanks OB. The speed YODASLUKE creates is amazing!
BTW, I have no illusions of winning the REMAX, I just want to be able to keep it up with the girl scouts again!
Kevin
When you pivot, Kevin, or Jerry or OB, and you are hitting, what kind of triggers do you use to tell yourself when to thrust with the right arm. You monitor the hands to a certain position and then fire?
I have started to monitor my left thumb with the Pivot leading as a swing because it is so simple. Where my thumb points down (vertically uncocking left wrist), is past impact.
I think I got the idea from Daryl;he's very clever with this stuff.
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When you pivot, Kevin, or Jerry or OB, and you are hitting, what kind of triggers do you use to tell yourself when to thrust with the right arm. You monitor the hands to a certain position and then fire?
I have started to monitor my left thumb with the Pivot leading as a swing because it is so simple. Where my thumb points down (vertically uncocking left wrist), is past impact.
I think I got the idea from Daryl;he's very clever with this stuff.
City,
I'm kind of a simpleton and have barely noticed what I am actually doing. I am trying to keep my weight over my left hip/leg/foot, turn back, then as my hands start down I drive my right hip, shoulder and arm and Push through the ball.
For me, it has been a long time since I have been this excited to play.
City,
I'm kind of a simpleton and have barely noticed what I am actually doing. I am trying to keep my weight over my left hip/leg/foot, turn back, then as my hands start down I drive my right hip, shoulder and arm and Push through the ball.
For me, it has been a long time since I have been this excited to play.
Jerry,
City is jacking this thread and you're enabling him by responding to his rant. I had to respond to correct his egregious misunderstanding of something I said which no doubt he has taken out of context or has me confused with someone else.
We have four pressure points in which to monitor the Plane Line and Innercityteacher chooses his Thumb. This is going to be easier than I thought.
Yoda, if you get the pleasure of working with Innercityteacher next spring, you might consider starting a "Journal" right about now. I'm thinking of creating a "TGM Quotes" Album (of some of the thoughts he's had) for Innercityteacher that I can give to him as a "Second Place Award" when we play next Spring. Then he can look back on his development (as we all do) and laugh.
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