Man, I go to AC for one night and you guys start a war without me!
Originally Posted by Ringer
Who precisely are you arguing with here because I NEVER defined where low point was. But if you were to ask me I'd say it's wherever the lowest point is that the clubhead reaches along the arc. Seems to me you can still be pulling the club upward before full extension happens.
But D-Plane offers a DIFFERENT explination. Simply that the axis of the spin rotation will be flatter since the loft angles the tragectory more upwards. D-plane deals with this in geometrical terms that accurately describe what we see.
You sure seem to like putting words in his mouth. Again, I like Lynn's response better. He would have probably expanded on the D-Plan had he known about it instead of pooh poohing it just cause it wasn't his. That is unless you think HK was a real arrogant SOB.
Look, I have to know if someone got that guy's phone number. I'm out here at school in West Philly, It's 10 pm and the school bus is warmed up with about 50 respondents for our "First Tee" program. We only have 10 golf clubs but lots of my peeps have on real bulky hoodies!
Everybody's ready to find that dude and deliver a little Basic, Acquired, and Total motion to that fella, if you feel me on this!
Daryl, what color are the robes? Silk? My team wants to know if you can hook us up? 'SUP Unc!? Our school colors are blue and white. We need a lot of 2x and 3x sizes. I told the kids that we needed to protect "Uncle Daryl" from mean "D-Plane" people. One of the boys, Abdullah Muhammed (6-8", 420 lbs, 3rd grade) said "Mr. B.....we need to explain tho the evil "D-men" that Islam is a force of peace in the world, and that the minor prophet HK, and his priest Uncle Daryl, plane blessings surround them, must never be dissed!"
Could you guys hurry up? We only have the bus 'till tomorrow and then I need new insurance and permission slips. I told the district we were headed to Georgia since lots of my peeps have kin down there. They were mad that the evil "D-men" insulted Uncle 12 Piece, Uncle Yoda, and Uncle OB, too! They felt that chicken remark was way off the hook.
YBGF
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 10-10-2010 at 10:32 PM.
If I had a dime for every time someone said that TGM is wrong, I'd be $$$$. If I had a dime for every time someone presented evidence that TGM was wrong, I couldn't by a 10 cent cup of coffee.
I'm so tired of people that talk about their claims rather than providing information to support their claim.
Ringer, support your claims with analysis and not propaganda. I assume you can do that, right? Otherwise, what's the point of this dialogue?
Maybe this isn't a dialogue but a "baiting game" you've been trained to play? Either give me something substantial that explains your claim that Homer was wrong or that Jorgensen was correct or won't respond again.
If I had a dime for every time someone said that TGM is wrong, I'd be $$$$. If I had a dime for every time someone presented evidence that TGM was wrong, I couldn't by a 10 cent cup of coffee.
I'm so tired of people that talk about their claims rather than providing information to support their claim.
Ringer, support your claims with analysis and not propaganda. I assume you can do that, right? Otherwise, what's the point of this dialogue?
Maybe this isn't a dialogue but a "baiting game" you've been trained to play? Either give me something substantial that explains your claim that Homer was wrong or that Jorgensen was correct or won't respond again.
Others have already stopped. I may as well too.
What's really funny to me is that you actually believe I'm attacking TGM or Homer. I said nothing of the sort.
Homer went on to describe the importance of knowing where the low point was (2-J-2) but I don't know where he explained to line up differently to compensate for this... do you? That's one question I posed but NEVER got an answer for. Instead you just came after me asking for proof of something.. lord knows what you're even wanting proof of.
The other thing I asked for is where Homer explained why higher lofted clubs result in less curvature. The D-Plane explains this quite easily as I did in my video, but 2-A makes no such conclusions as you suggested it did.
Finally, what "claims" am I making? What statement have I made that needs backing up? I'm simply saying that the D-Plane is an explanation of the geometry involved during impact that Homer didn't expand upon himself. Though he might have if he had access to the technology. You somehow interpreted this as some sort of threat on your livelihood apparently because you're lashing out like a wild dog at me. All I want is the truth.
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1. Environment - Gets in the way
2. Ball - Interacts with the environment
3. Club - Moves the ball in a specific way
4. Golfer - Swings the club I already paid good money for the first 3...
What's really funny to me is that you actually believe I'm attacking TGM or Homer. I said nothing of the sort.
Homer went on to describe the importance of knowing where the low point was (2-J-2) but I don't know where he explained to line up differently to compensate for this... do you? That's one question I posed but NEVER got an answer for. Instead you just came after me asking for proof of something.. lord knows what you're even wanting proof of.
The other thing I asked for is where Homer explained why higher lofted clubs result in less curvature. The D-Plane explains this quite easily as I did in my video, but 2-A makes no such conclusions as you suggested it did.
Finally, what "claims" am I making? What statement have I made that needs backing up? I'm simply saying that the D-Plane is an explanation of the geometry involved during impact that Homer didn't expand upon himself. Though he might have if he had access to the technology. You somehow interpreted this as some sort of threat on your livelihood apparently because you're lashing out like a wild dog at me. All I want is the truth.
Lashing out like a wild dog? You guys are all delusional.
All you want is the truth? All you guys do nothing but twist other peoples words to make them look bad so you win debates. Winning debates has nothing to do with finding the truth.
Nobody's buying what you are selling.
Kevin
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I do believe HK had a complete understanding of the alignments that would dynamically reproduce the positions recently explained by "D" plane “graphics”. Alignments are vastly superior to position. Reading- 7-2 then 2-j-3 then 2 then 1 a little 2-E and throw in a dabble of 6-E and one can start to perform ball flight control. After all is said, How do you get it into the computer (chapter 14)? A vector diagram or a feel? That is the value of TGM. With understanding TGM becomes a vastly superior tool for both instruction and instructed.
Homer went on to describe the importance of knowing where the low point was (2-J-2) but I don't know where he explained to line up differently to compensate for this... do you? That's one question I posed but NEVER got an answer for.
Regarding "line up differently" . . .
I think I read elsewhere in your posts that you mean lining up more Open with the higher lofted clubs and more closed with the lower lofted ones. Is that right? Are you referring to the Stance Line in relation to the Plane Line? If not, then what? Please explain what you mean, and ideally, why it is necessary.
I think I read elsewhere in your posts that you mean lining up more Open with the higher lofted clubs and more closed with the lower lofted ones. Is that right? Are you referring to the Stance Line in relation to the Plane Line? If not, then what? Please explain what you mean, and ideally, why it is necessary.
Thanks!
Boss . . . what he is trying to say is . . . if the ball is taken beyond low point club is traveling back up and in and as a result you should aim right to account for those plane/orbit conditions . . .assuming you are hitting a straight shot . . . vicey vercy for back of low point . . .
7-2 is likely where the d-plane folks would take issue with the Machine I'd say.
Boss . . . what he is trying to say is . . . if the ball is taken beyond low point club is traveling back up and in and as a result you should aim right to account for those plane/orbit conditions . . .assuming you are hitting a straight shot . . . vicey vercy for back of low point . . .
7-2 is likely where the d-plane folks would take issue with the Machine I'd say.
As I recall, he referred to being able to explain, paraphrasing now, why "Hogan adjusted his stance for the higher and lower lofted clubs". I recall no reference to Low Point.
But there may have been. Anyway, it's hard to come up with a decent answer when you don't understand the question.
As I recall, he referred to being able to explain, paraphrasing now, why "Hogan adjusted his stance for the higher and lower lofted clubs". I recall no reference to Low Point.
But there may have been. Anyway, it's hard to come up with a decent answer when you don't understand the question.
Can't wait to hear back!
Sorry that it wasn't more clear Lynn. I guess you haven't been totally apprised of what the D-Plane is and how it operates so it would of course be difficult to understand the question.
Essentially IF (and this is a big if) a person catches the ball while the clubhead is starting to travel back up and in past low point, then the path would be leftward. To offset for this one should set up a bit more closed. With short irons the ball is struck further back from low point and therefore the path is traveling out to the right. To compensate for this you need to align to the left.
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1. Environment - Gets in the way
2. Ball - Interacts with the environment
3. Club - Moves the ball in a specific way
4. Golfer - Swings the club I already paid good money for the first 3...
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