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Old 12-31-2010, 11:28 AM
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Do you remember the Magic of the Right Forearm insofar that the Left Wrist will Cock without Cocking the Right Wrist?

Well, The Paddlewheel motion of the Right Forearm will allow the Left Wrist to Roll without Rolling the Right Wrist.
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Old 12-31-2010, 11:40 AM
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Do you remember the Magic of the Right Forearm insofar that the Left Wrist will Cock without Cocking the Right Wrist?

Well, The Paddlewheel motion of the Right Forearm will allow the Left Wrist to Roll without Rolling the Right Wrist.

yes to the first bit, i'm onto right elbow cocking left wrist without cocking right wrist

the paddlewheel motion i have heard referenced but i have not assimilated any information on it as yet

thankyou for all 3 replies i need to get the head back into hinging & address the paddlewheel concept
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Old 12-31-2010, 11:49 AM
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Well, The Paddlewheel motion of the Right Forearm will allow the Left Wrist to Roll without Rolling the Right Wrist.

[Bold emphasis by Yoda.]
Daryl,

Did you mean Flattening the Right Wrist?

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Old 12-31-2010, 12:25 PM
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Daryl,

Did you mean Flattening the Right Wrist?

No. I mean that there is a Left Wrist Paddlewheel Motion and a Right Forearm Paddlewheel Motion.

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. And an equivalent could be “Clubface Paddlewheel Action” executed as a Left Wrist Paddlewheel Motion. Thus, though some procedures may cause the Clubface to “Close” in relation to the Plane Line, none will be an actual “Roll” of the Hands. See 2-C and 6-B-3-0. There is, however, the “Release Roll” (Swivel) which is a true rotation of the Hands into Impact alignments by Accumulator #3 with (10-18-A only). ................ That is the Geometry of Hinging.
It's what HK "means" by "True Rotation". He doesn't mean that the Hands "Roll" about themselves, but rather, they "Rotate" around the Hinge.

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Photos 6-B-3-0 shows the Left Forearm version – using a slow back-and-forth motion with Horizontal Hinge Action. For the Right Forearm version, do likewise, applying Angled Hinge Action. Do both alternately until you see the distinct differences in the Rhythm and Clubhead Travel of all three of the Roll procedures.
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Old 12-31-2010, 05:51 PM
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No. I mean that there is a Left Wrist Paddlewheel Motion and a Right Forearm Paddlewheel Motion.



It's what HK "means" by "True Rotation". He doesn't mean that the Hands "Roll" about themselves, but rather, they "Rotate" around the Hinge.



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Daryl,

Something is missing here.

Yes, the fundamental nature of the Golf Stroke dictates a definite "Left Wrist Paddlewheel Motion and a Right Forearm Paddlewheel Motion". Executed on a Horizontal Plane, neither truly Rolls, nor do they appear to Roll. However, that same Motion -- Wrists held Vertical to the ground -- executed on an Inclined Plane appears to Roll (but it does not).

Bottom line: If the Flat Left Wrist appears to Roll, then its complement -- the Bent Right Wrist -- will also appear to Roll. Assuming a classic Grip with both Hands held Vertical (10-2-B), the Left Wrist cannot Roll without the Right Wrist also Rolling.

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Daryl,

Something is missing here.

Yes, the fundamental nature of the Golf Stroke dictates a definite "Left Wrist Paddlewheel Motion and a Right Forearm Paddlewheel Motion". Executed on a Horizontal Plane, neither truly Rolls, nor do they appear to Roll. However, that same Motion -- Wrists held Vertical to the ground -- executed on an Inclined Plane appears to Roll (but it does not).

Bottom line: If the Flat Left Wrist appears to Roll, then its complement -- the Bent Right Wrist -- will also appear to Roll. Assuming a classic Grip with both Hands held Vertical (10-2-B), the Left Wrist cannot Roll without the Right Wrist also Rolling.

That's totally the way I understand it to be. Thank you.

HK spent a lot of time finding the words to explain and define those motions. I can't put them into any other words without sounding like I'm off my rocker or sounding like I'm morphing them into something else.
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Old 12-31-2010, 12:48 PM
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Daryl,

Did you mean Flattening the Right Wrist?

i was talking about the possibility of rolling the right wrist to which Daryl was responding i think

i found this which suggests i could focus on the hinging to good effect (as ever going for the simplist option if possible)

Tracing is a [Right Hand] #3 Pressure Point Clubshaft Loading function. And when the Right Hand and Forearm remain Vertical (perpendicular) to the Inclined Plane through Impact, the Lag-Loaded Tracing produces an automatic On Plane Paddlewheel Clubface Motion.

Nevertheless, because of the vagaries of a Right Elbow Control, the ultimate veneer control is a [Left Hand] Hinge Action control of the Clubface.

but also some detail on grip that complicates the issue... shame you aren't coming to the UK this year Yoda
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Do you remember the Magic of the Right Forearm insofar that the Left Wrist will Cock without Cocking the Right Wrist?

Well, The Paddlewheel motion of the Right Forearm will allow the Left Wrist to Roll without Rolling the Right Wrist.
i revisited Left Wrist Cocking without Cocking the Right Wrist & found mine wasn't as good as i had thought it was

found this great post that might be useful to others if they are working on it


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Do it on a vertical plane with no club.

Extend both arms out in front of you.

Make the thumbs up sigh with your left hand. "Apply" # 1 pressure point of right hand heel (of the right hand) against thumb of left hand (extensor action - stetches left arm making it remain straight.

Now raise the left arm up ONLY by bending the right elbow. Make sure the right wrist does not cock. The left wrist has to cock, and you DO NOT have to cock the right wrist to perform the action (no need you are using your elbow).

I'll suggest you are just in the the habit of cocking your right wrist, instead of using only your right elbow. Your brain is associating moving the left arm with a right wrist cock. It does not have to be that way. UP can be provided only by the right elbow. (Almost certainly, the correct action will shorten your backswing and feel a little strange - it seems the whole "get to parrallel on the backswing myth would almost encouge a cock of the right wrist).

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