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Old 01-02-2011, 11:30 PM
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Was he hitting a draw or is it the camera angle?

Anyway it seems like his clubhead is on a pretty flat plane after transition. (Not flat as in horizontal; Flat as opposed to curved). Something that is probably very good for consistency.

I have a feeling that Stricker would appear to be swinging left if the camera was located in the plane of his clubhead path. There are traces of it even in the current perspective and he seem to hold his wedges pretty well past impact.

I think it is equally interesting to look at the hand path. And perhaps even more interesting - to look at the relationship between the handpath and the clubhead path.

I just watched a sequence of Garcia. That would also be an interesting case. From what I can see his clushaft plane angle changes several times during the down stroke. Garcia's hands are clearly over and then under the plane of the clubhead. Since he is arguebly one of the better ball strikers on tour I have a feeling that his swing can teach us something about the physics and mechanics involved.
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Old 01-02-2011, 11:38 PM
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I just watched a sequence of Garcia. That would also be an interesting case. From what I can see his clushaft plane angle changes several times during the down stroke. Garcia's hands are clearly over and then under the plane of the clubhead. Since he is arguebly one of the better ball strikers on tour I have a feeling that his swing can teach us something about the physics and mechanics involved.
This passage seems familiar, BerntR. Didn't you write this a while back? Just wanted to let you know I'm paying attention!

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Old 01-03-2011, 12:03 AM
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Glad to hear that, Yoda

I speculated about something similar in a more general form. Then reported that I saw traces of it in Hogan's stroke.

But where Hogan has perhaps a little of this I believe Garcia has it in spades. At one instance his clubshaft is almost horizontal and then it steepens a lot towards impact. At least that's how it seemed on a video I checked. Seeing how pivot driven Garcia is (and now that I've just learned that he is a poster child for swinging) it seems unthinkable that his changes in clubshaft plane angle towards impact is caused by steering.

There is also something about Garcia's stroke that gives me the feeling that he is "all in" power wise. There seems to be no holding back there and everything he does seem to be geared towards generating speed and lag pressure. He seems to make a bigger effort in each full stroke than many of his competitors, and I often get the feeling that he could gain some precision and consistency if he tamed his power somehow. But he doesn't need to ease down to be precise does he? So it can't be raw power. It is power with precise alignments. Perhaps Garcia's stroke can teach us something that is more or less present in a lot of good strokes?

Here you can watch Garcia "in the cube":
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Old 01-03-2011, 12:09 AM
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Was he hitting a draw or is it the camera angle?

Anyway it seems like his clubhead is on a pretty flat plane after transition. (Not flat as in horizontal; Flat as opposed to curved). Something that is probably very good for consistency.

I have a feeling that Stricker would appear to be swinging left if the camera was located in the plane of his clubhead path. There are traces of it even in the current perspective and he seem to hold his wedges pretty well past impact.

I think it is equally interesting to look at the hand path. And perhaps even more interesting - to look at the relationship between the handpath and the clubhead path.

I just watched a sequence of Garcia. That would also be an interesting case. From what I can see his clushaft plane angle changes several times during the down stroke. Garcia's hands are clearly over and then under the plane of the clubhead. Since he is arguebly one of the better ball strikers on tour I have a feeling that his swing can teach us something about the physics and mechanics involved.
I've done the 10-5-E Plane and it's corresponding camera location. The results are surprising. You can't appreciate the geometry until you film one swing with multiple cameras (one under, one on, and one over Plane).

The camera angle of Sergio on the same day and tee is not as good. The camera is under Plane.
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