Some more questions regarding this preturning business:
1. Which stage does the preturning of the Hips belong to: Do you preturn at Address, Adjusted Address or Start Up? Is there a pause between preturning the Hips and "starting back with either the Shoulders or the Club", or does the preturning of the Hips blend fluidly into Start Up (sort of like a Start Up trigger)?
2. What exactly does "semi-lock" mean? Do you preturn the Hips as far as they should turn on the backstroke (so that the Hips are already kinda fully turned by that preturning) or do the Hips turn beyond their preturned condition during the backstroke?
3. Does preturning the Hips also affect the knee conditions (i.e. tugging the left knee in towards the plane line and retracting the right knee)?
1.homer does not say whether or not the pre turn hip execution should be in preliminary address impact fix or adjusted, he simply says before starting back, simply at some point before startup...
2.semi lock means just that, they are locked at a predetermined point before starting back but are not permanently locked thereby making them immobile and we certainly wouldn't want that for the downstroke... So semi lock them... The point of the preturned hip is to stop the shoulder motion at a preselected point, PREselected, of course you can do whatever you want! That is the beauty of it, you can create your own variation! However I think his intent was as stated to preturn a selected amount prior to startup and not move past that In The backstroke.
3.of course the hip turn will affect knee action and once again this comes down to your choice, can I preturn my hip and have a stratright leg? Yes! Can I do the same and have right anchor? Yes!
10-14-0 General the hip turn stroke component includes weight shift and concerns only motion, unrelated to action which is a separate component, requires separate consideration
10-15-0 General hip action classifications are based on the directions in which hip action--if any--actuates the shoulder turn
So component 10-15-b is classified as hip ACTION, why then would he use this verbiage in 10-15-b "use this hip TURN to prevent overswinging" why would he use the word turn and not action when he specifically differentiated the two components, is it because the nature of pre turning is in fact a hip motion and not action whereas the downstroke of delayed hip action is in fact an action so it is actually half hip turn(backstroke) and half hip action(downstroke) relating to yodas point about the work of the action not happening til start down ??? Or is this simply how the verbiage was written, unintentionally mixing the verbiage between the components. Par 71 I'm sure you know this one....
10-14-0 General the hip turn stroke component includes weight shift and concerns only motion, unrelated to action which is a separate component, requires separate consideration
10-15-0 General hip action classifications are based on the directions in which hip action--if any--actuates the shoulder turn
So component 10-15-b is classified as hip ACTION, why then would he use this verbiage in 10-15-b "use this hip TURN to prevent overswinging" why would he use the word turn and not action when he specifically differentiated the two components, is it because the nature of pre turning is in fact a hip motion and not action whereas the downstroke of delayed hip action is in fact an action so it is actually half hip turn(backstroke) and half hip action(downstroke) relating to yodas point about the work of the action not happening til start down ??? Or is this simply how the verbiage was written, unintentionally mixing the verbiage between the components. Par 71 I'm sure you know this one....
So component 10-15-b is classified as hip ACTION, why then would he use this verbiage in 10-15-b "use this hip TURN to prevent overswinging" why would he use the word turn and not action when he specifically differentiated the two components
With Delayed Hip Action, "Hip Action is delayed until Start Down". So the Action of the Hips cannot be responsible for preventing overswinging on the backstroke. I think Homer is referring to the first sentence of 10-15-B where he explains that the Shoulders lead and power (or at least lead) the Backstroke Hip Turn. In other words, a Backstroke Hip Turn that is lead by the Shoulders (rather than the other way round) prevents overswinging.
He wrote "Hip Turn" in that sentence you quoted in every edition from the first to the seventh. So I assume it's intentional.
Great explanation yoda and par71 in regards to the ACTION and reasoning behind it. I am of the opinion also that it was intentional to make that important distinction. something I have never noticed before about 10-15-b.
You and me both Whip. I was always foggy on "Delayed Hip Action." YODA's post helped tremendously. I love learning this stuff!
Kevin
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1.homer does not say whether or not the pre turn hip execution should be in preliminary address impact fix or adjusted, he simply says before starting back, simply at some point before startup...
2.semi lock means just that, they are locked at a predetermined point before starting back but are not permanently locked thereby making them immobile and we certainly wouldn't want that for the downstroke... So semi lock them... The point of the preturned hip is to stop the shoulder motion at a preselected point, PREselected, of course you can do whatever you want! That is the beauty of it, you can create your own variation! However I think his intent was as stated to preturn a selected amount prior to startup and not move past that In The backstroke.
3.of course the hip turn will affect knee action and once again this comes down to your choice, can I preturn my hip and have a stratright leg? Yes! Can I do the same and have right anchor? Yes!
Some of this depends on the amount of hip turn you want...standard knee action allowing more hip turn...also easier to have more hip turn AND a centered pivot...see pics of AP da King in earlier posts....Beautiful lines by the King.
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