Air, not really that different. They assume playing the driver more forward. Impact further forward on the inclined plane. The feeling is the further back on the plane you strike the ball, the more inside out the path of the clubhead. Makes sense geometrically?
I know Yoda has worked with TrackMan and would love to hear his thoughts along with Mr. Tillery's, I would guess they are on the same page???
He also made a reference to Hogan who perfered an open stance on the shorter shots and somewhat closed stance with the driver.
There are so many arguments you could make to counter the suggestion that Hogan's Plane Line was square to his Stance Line (to square up Face and Path to hit a straight shot via plane rotation)
-Stance Line has more to do with Pivot Motion than direction.... the feet are so far away from the shoulders. You can swing in to out off of an open stance , easily.
-With the driver his feet were closed but his knees , hips, shoulders were generally square.
-the foot lines drawn do not correspond to the arc . Not even close. The hula hoop used to describe the arc in the video is no where near as large as the actual club head orbit. Exaggerating the degrees of left or right as you forward or back along the arc. When you look at the arc of approach when scaled properly its surprisingly less curved than you'd think especially for shorter irons with steeper plane angles.
My problem again, is more with the procedure as it relates to the shorter irons than the longer clubs . I just don't see good players opening the face as much as suggested and then squaring it to the hole via plane line rotation. Ya it'd be straight , but weak too . I think. Wouldn't it?
OB,
Help me understand what you mean by opening the face that much and rotating to square it back up. Do you see it as kind of an open face push that they're aiming left to accomodate?
OB,
Help me understand what you mean by opening the face that much and rotating to square it back up. Do you see it as kind of an open face push that they're aiming left to accomodate?
Ok let me try again. I see videos of these guys talking about hitting straight shots with the following logic: Given a square plane line and balls back of low point the face which is square to the path and the path both point to the right, no divergence . (Producing a straight push , but under powered I think due to the open face). To hit it straight at the target the recommendation as I understand things is to rotate the plane line to the left . Giving you a straight shot at the target yes.. but to my mind one hit with more than true loft ... sorta like a cut shot but with no divergence.
I just don't see good players hitting straight shots like this ... unless they're trying to hit it higher than normal .
Ok let me try again. I see videos of these guys talking about hitting straight shots with the following logic: Given a square plane line and balls back of low point the face which is square to the path and the path both point to the right, no divergence . (Producing a straight push , but under powered I think due to the open face). To hit it straight at the target the recommendation as I understand things is to rotate the plane line to the left . Giving you a straight shot at the target yes.. but to my mind one hit with more than true loft ... sorta like a cut shot but with no divergence.
I just don't see good players hitting straight shots like this ... unless they're trying to hit it higher than normal .
Gotcha. I don't see a face open to target at impact as weak. Big old bombing draws touch the ball with open faces. With that being said, I would agree with you that better players aren't hitting wedges with open faces and rotating to straighten the "push". I see it as only getting pushed if you catch the inside of the ball, and when better players hit short irons, they hit down and control trajectory and spin.........and they swing left of target nearly always to produce this and balance out the angle of attack, because alot of down and right leads to the dirty "s" word!
Gotcha. I don't see a face open to target at impact as weak. Big old bombing draws touch the ball with open faces. With that being said, I would agree with you that better players aren't hitting wedges with open faces and rotating to straighten the "push". I see it as only getting pushed if you catch the inside of the ball, and when better players hit short irons, they hit down and control trajectory and spin.........and they swing left of target nearly always to produce this and balance out the angle of attack, because alot of down and right leads to the dirty "s" word!
Yup agreed but if Im understanding the procedure above correctly the face is opened to the plane line. In the draw scenario you describe the face is closed to the plane line (but open to the target) .... a nuked , low lofted , draw shot resulting.
Going back to the video's logic if you were to keep rolling the face open to the plane line you could lay the club right on its back like for a lob shot say. Turn your 60 degree lob wedge into an 80 degree or whatever.
I know thats not the way the video describes things as its not a cut shot procedure (using common golf speak) but you are adding some loft when the face is open to the plane. To me it sounds like taking a straight push shot and rotating the plane so you hit the push shot at the hole. A floater depending on how much loft you've added.
Maybe the Arcs curve is so slight that the amount of opening is slight and the whole thing is negligible ? The hula hoop exaggerates things as the scale is so wrong. I dunno.
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