How can one wedge Roll without the other doing same ? Wouldnt you have to reform your grip to pull that off. Go from 90 degrees say to more than 90 in terms of the relationship of the two wedge planes.
Assuming a two Vertical , palms facing each other grip type : I see the Hands as Turning (or being turned by Pivot ) on the Backswing , Rolling on the Downswing , the wedges doing same. 90 (or whatever you set at Fix) staying fairly constant.
How can one wedge Roll without the other doing same ? Wouldnt you have to reform your grip to pull that off. Go from 90 degrees say to more than 90 in terms of the relationship of the two wedge planes.
Assuming a two Vertical , palms facing each other grip type : I see the Hands as Turning (or being turned by Pivot ) on the Backswing , Rolling on the Downswing , the wedges doing same. 90 (or whatever you set at Fix) staying fairly constant.
YA-NO, I do understand what Daryl is saying. That (my understanding) is not good for his cedibility or reputation. I was hoping to stake out a piece of high ground to make a couple of points that U have heard from me before an never found convincing . But, c'est la vie, the sun will rise in the morning.
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How can one wedge Roll without the other doing same ? Wouldnt you have to reform your grip to pull that off. Go from 90 degrees say to more than 90 in terms of the relationship of the two wedge planes.
Assuming a two Vertical , palms facing each other grip type : I see the Hands as Turning (or being turned by Pivot ) on the Backswing , Rolling on the Downswing , the wedges doing same. 90 (or whatever you set at Fix) staying fairly constant.
Well, I'm lost for words. "Say it ain't so, Joe"
Innercityteacher understands, OMG, we talked on the phone for 60 seconds and he understands, he was very surprised - never knew it could be - but he can now Hinge with the best of them.
There's no secret, it's all in the book. If all of us don't understand this "Basic Alignment", "Right Forearm Motion" and "90 degree Wedge Alignment" then communicating is very difficult. Understanding TGM - Possible, Applying TGM - not possible.
If you get a Bucket with Handle, 2 "Red Sticky Dots" and a Dowel Rod, Call me. I'll walk you through it, painlessly. Or, wait for the "Video".
Why is there confusion about whats going up-plane and whats going down-plane?
The Hands travel on a Path toward the ground until under the Left Shoulder (Hinge Location), then they travel away from the ground. ANY Ball Located behind Low-Point will be struck with a Down-Plane moving Clubhead. REALLY.
The Ball, should be struck while BOTH the Hands and Clubhead are moving Down-plane. Don't confuse Low-Point with being the Farthest Point the Clubhead travels from your Left Shoulder. With a Level Left Wrist at Impact the Left Wrist will continue to Un-cock. Low-Point is an Alignment and yes, normally the Alignment occurs at the Lowest Point of the Clubhead Orbit.
The Hands will reach their Closest point to the ground when they're below the Left Shoulder (related to the Ground) but Geometrically its Located when the Right Arm is Fully Straight (Full Extension). So, the Hands Travel Down-Plane until Full Extension regardless of their distance from the Ground. The Hands travel Down-Plane while the Right Elbow is Straightening and Up-Plane while the Left Arm is Folding. Don't confuse "Down-Plane" with the Ground you're standing on, that's "Golf Channel" stuff and stuff you find in golf books for public consumption and by Golf instructors trying to make a living (not all). The Clubhead, Ball and Hands don't know about the Ground and they don't care. They are ruled by Orbit and Low-Point.
Hmm?? A Chipping Stroke occurs when the Hands pass under the Left Shoulder and begin moving away from Low-Point (but Down-Plane) while the Ball, located behind Low-Point is struck with a Down-Plane moving Clubhead Toward Low-Point. The "Turf" is "Chipped" which is different than a "Divot". Why would anyone strike a ball with a Full Stroke while using a "Chipping" Alignment? Crazy perhaps???? Ya, Really. It's used for short Shots around the Green because the significant loss of compression allows you, the golfer, to use an accelerating clubhead without the Ball traveling its normal distance...........
Further explanation : When you narrow your stance and your feet are very close together, Low Point moves about 3-6 inches beyond the Left Shoulder (RFAA). A Ball Played opposite (in-line) the Left Shoulder (Hinge) will be Struck with a Down-Plane moving Clubhead because it's behind Low-Point. Hands leading the Clubhead by 3-6" will be traveling away from Low-Point while the Clubhead Travels Toward Low-Point = Chipping Stroke Pattern. Yet, Both Hands and Clubhead are moving Down-Plane.
Why is there confusion about whats going up-plane and whats going down-plane?
ANY Ball Located behind Low-Point will be struck with a Down-Plane moving Clubhead. REALLY.
The Ball, should be struck while BOTH the Hands and Clubhead are moving Down-plane.
capisce?
It's no wonder many TGMers think the hands are moving downward at impact what with all the emphasis on DOWN DOWN DOWN - all the way to China! But the hand path bottoms out well before impact with the club head still lagging behind
You've got the club head correct - REALLY.
However, no "capisce" on the hands. Go to pg 193, fig 10-19-A and look at the hand path for Hitting and Drive Loading - it's curving upward. It's the same for Swinging and any loading or release type. If the hands are moving downward at impact, the club head will have beaten the hands to the ball from the line of sight perspective, and you will have complete lag loss and compression-less impact.
It's no wonder many TGMers think the hands are moving downward at impact what with all the emphasis on DOWN DOWN DOWN - all the way to China! But the hand path bottoms out well before impact with the club head still lagging behind
You've got the club head correct - REALLY.
However, no "capisce" on the hands. Go to pg 193, fig 10-19-A and look at the hand path for Hitting and Drive Loading - it's curving upward. It's the same for Swinging and any loading or release type. If the hands are moving downward at impact, the club head will have beaten the hands to the ball from the line of sight perspective, and you will have complete lag loss and compression-less impact.
You're trying to not understand. I don't know why unless you have a chip on your shoulder? TGM'ers are nice people.
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The Hands will reach their Closest point to the ground when they're below the Left Shoulder (related to the Ground) but Geometrically its Located when the Right Arm is Fully Straight (Full Extension). So, the Hands Travel Down-Plane until Full Extension regardless of their distance from the Ground. The Hands travel Down-Plane while the Right Elbow is Straightening and Up-Plane while the Left Arm is Folding. Don't confuse "Down-Plane" with the Ground you're standing on, that's "Golf Channel" stuff and stuff you find in golf books for public consumption and by Golf instructors trying to make a living (not all). The Clubhead, Ball and Hands don't know about the Ground and they don't care. They are ruled by Orbit and Low-Point.
Maybe you don't understand the difference between traveling "Down plane" and traveling "Toward the Ground". It will help you understand if you stop thinking that moving toward the ground is "Down plane" and moving away from the ground is "Up Plane".
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3-F-7-E ..... The correct concept of an “On Plane” procedure is driving the Club – not “a little downward and a little outward” – but “Down Plane”. Down Plane to full extension per 2-C-0 and 2-L#2. Also study 2-F, 2-N and 2-P.
I'll try to help:
The Clubhead travels an Orbit and at some point on the Orbit the Leading Edge of the Clubface is Square to the Target Line, the Shaft at its correct Lie Angle and within a Plane perpendicular to the Target Line. This is called Low-Point Geometry and it is an Alignment, and not a specific Location until you designate one.
Imagine the Circle (Orbit) on a Horizontal Plane (see illustration below). Imagine Swinging on a Horizontal Plane and you strike the ball when the Clubshaft is at Right Angles to the Target Line. The Clubhead keeps traveling Down Plane. When does Down Plane stop and Up Plane begin?
Traveling Forward is Down Plane. "Capisce"
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2-C-0 LINEAR FORCE ... Your main lines of defense are the Flat Left Wrist, Hinge Action and a Three Dimensional Downstroke – that is DOWNward (Attack Angle) AND OUTward (Plane Angle) AND FORward (Approach Angle) per 2-C-1#2A/B. Study 2-H, 2-N and 7-3.
Innercityteacher understands, OMG, we talked on the phone for 60 seconds and he understands, he was very surprised - never knew it could be - but he can now Hinge with the best of them.
There's no secret, it's all in the book. If all of us don't understand this "Basic Alignment", "Right Forearm Motion" and "90 degree Wedge Alignment" then communicating is very difficult. Understanding TGM - Possible, Applying TGM - not possible.
If you get a Bucket with Handle, 2 "Red Sticky Dots" and a Dowel Rod, Call me. I'll walk you through it, painlessly. Or, wait for the "Video".
...then anyone can get it!
Really Daryl, they need the bucket and the red dot. I had to go to the range and do lots of swings with the Base Line of the Plane marked with alignment sticks first with a bucket and Extensor Action and then with a club doing chips and then Acquired Motion where the Wheel Rim really jumped out and the Finish Swivel really was powerful. Another move that helped was leading my Axis Tilt with my left knee as I read about in Nick Faldo's "Winning Golf" many years ago and other books, and have observed in lots of videos of both Hogan and Sneed. That Axis Tilt allows the right forearm to drop in front of the right hip as the shoulder slides down. The inside of the forearms both point up as does the right wrist as the hands slide to Both Arms Straight. Straightening the right arm provides all the Extensor action needed and the slightest "flip of the hips" from the front knee allows me to strike a high draw if Swinging and a power fade if Hitting further than I have ever struck the ball before!
Ball position is varied by the width of stance so other shots can be played. The more I practice with keeping the bucket level through the RFT and Pivot, the more effortless the shots.
Since I do have an artificial hip and a shorter front leg, I do expect my Pivot to be a little less robust but that's why God made senior shafts, hot clubs, TGM and LBG!
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I had to go to the range and do lots of swings with the Base Line of the Plane marked with alignment sticks first with a bucket and Extensor Action and then with a club doing chips and then Acquired Motion where the Wheel Rim really jumped out and the Finish Swivel really was powerful. Another move that helped was leading my Axis Tilt with my left knee as I read about in Nick Faldo's "Winning Golf" many years ago and other books, and have observed in lots of videos of both Hogan and Sneed. That Axis Tilt allows the right forearm to drop in front of the right hip as the shoulder slides down. The inside of the forearms both point up as does the right wrist as the hands slide to Both Arms Straight. Straightening the right arm provides all the Extensor action needed and the slightest "flip of the hips" from the front knee allows me to strike a high draw if Swinging and a power fade if Hitting further than I have ever struck the ball before! 
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