Even in the TSP Swing where the hands and right shoulder are on plane from the Top, the hands move off plane when Throwout starts as the left shoulder moves off plane. If the hands stayed on the swing plane, the sweet spot would fly out over the ball, unless the shaft was exactly in line with the left forearm, which is virtually impossible, even if the left wrist were totally uncocked at impact instead of level as it should be. After Throwout starts, the hands move farther inside away from the base line as the golfer sees them, because the Left Flying Wedge is moving off plane.
Of course the hands are moving forward after impact(and during impact), but not "down".
10 years ago I would have agreed with you. 10 years from today (hopefully sooner) you'll agree with me.
Im still yet to master the right forearm timing ,I have found it a few times and the ball goes so much further,armed with your last post(and a great one at that)I will attempt to attain my optimum mix of r/forearm and cen force,once happy ,i will ingrain it so its there naturally,I really needed to know if it is wise to mix right forearm and how to apply it,your words"down plane" may well be the key.....thank ALL for contributing ....cheers
Im still yet to master the right forearm timing ,I have found it a few times and the ball goes so much further,armed with your last post(and a great one at that)I will attempt to attain my optimum mix of r/forearm and cen force,once happy ,i will ingrain it so its there naturally,I really needed to know if it is wise to mix right forearm and how to apply it,your words"down plane" may well be the key.....thank ALL for contributing ....cheers
It will be the key to the gate of golfing hell if you interpret "down plane" to mean that the right forearm is moving downward at impact!
Do you honestly believe that the hand path lies in the swing plane at impact?
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Pleas explain the plane my hands should be in at impact, how do I monitor this alignment and how is this hand plane taught.
Thanks
HB
Their movement is 3-d and not planar, and the path depends on swing plane and plane shifts. You could roughly describe the path as a bent fishhook shape, but realize that the straight line part of the paths shown in the book are ideal and not real.
You shouldn't be monitoring the hand path, but instead trace the plane line with PP#3 and have a flat, level left wrist at impact, which, when transported with the pivot, will determine the handpath.
The only way you could come close to a hand path lying on the swing plane would be a left hand grip with the handle running through the life line and the left arm perfectly in line with the shaft at address(zero #3 PA). But even then the shaft lies below the sweetspot plane.
Their movement is 3-d and not planar, and the path depends on swing plane and plane shifts. You could roughly describe the path as a bent fishhook shape, but realize that the straight line part of the paths shown in the book are ideal and not real.
You shouldn't be monitoring the hand path, but instead trace the plane line with PP#3 and have a flat, level left wrist at impact, which, when transported with the pivot, will determine the handpath.
The only way you could come close to a hand path lying on the swing plane would be a left hand grip with the handle running through the life line and the left arm perfectly in line with the shaft at address(zero #3 PA). But even then the shaft lies below the sweetspot plane.
OK now I follow you-
Ypu are thinking 7-23 paragraph #3. I have been thinling release to followthrough.
Yes I do have a 7-23 "plane shift" tsp down to elbow for swinging but I also have a flat plane release to followthrough. HK explains that.
I don't do "sweet spot plane" because, as I have argued before, I just ain't what it is said to be.
Gota get on the same page.
HB
Last edited by HungryBear : 12-05-2012 at 03:46 PM.
Do you honestly believe that the hand path lies in the swing plane at impact?
If so, it will be just as implausible in 10 yrs as it is today and I can only hope newcomers to TGM don't believe what you're writing!
Dozens of examples. But no one needs the yellow book to understand that the #3 PP needs to be On Plane at Impact. I have no idea what you're thinking. It could help if you explain your concept of "the Swing Plane".
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2-F PLANE OF MOTION All the action of the Golf Club takes place on a flat, inflexible, Inclined Plane which extends well beyond the circumference of the stroke – in every direction. The full length of the Clubshaft remains unwaveringly on the face of this Inclined Plane – Waggle to Follow-through. Every other Component of the Stroke must be adjusted to comply with that requirement. See Sketch 1-L. That includes the Right Forearm. See 5-0. The player must hold the Forearm in the Feel of the same plane per 7-3, dynamically in-line. Picture the javelin thrower with the right elbow and On Plane right forearm leading the hand toward the target (Delivery Line) all during Delivery. See 6-B-1. The Right Forearm of every Hacker comes into Impact too high – pointing beyond the Delivery Line during Downstroke (2-J-3, 7-3). Study 2-G and Components 5, 6, and 7.
Regardless of where the Clubshaft and Clubhead are joined together, it always feels as if they are joined at the Sweet Spot – the longitudinal center of gravity, the line of the pull of Centrifugal Force. So there is a “Clubshaft” Plane and a “Sweet Spot,” or “Swing”, Plane. But herein, unless otherwise noted, “Plane Angle” and “Plane Line” always refer to the Center of Gravity application. Study 2-N. Expect during Impact, the Clubshaft can travel on, or to- and – from, either Plane because the Clubshaft rotation must be around the Sweet Spot – not vice versa. So Clubhead “Feel” is Clubhead Lag Pressure (6-C) and is a Golfing Imperative. (2-0). If Lag Pressure is lost the Hands tend to start the hosel (instead of the Sweet Spot) toward Impact – that mysterious “Shank.” When in doubt, “Turn” the Clubface so both the Clubshaft and Sweet Spot will be on the same plane at Start Down. Both Planes always pass through the Lag Pressure Point. Study 6-C-2-A.
Well, if both Planes pass through the "Lag Pressure Point" .....then pick a Plane. Either one, the Hands are On Plane
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3-F-5
.......The Address Waggle is a miniature reproduction of the action of the Zone #2 components through Impact j- checking out the Power Alignments. That is – the Grip and Hand action applications of the Accumulators and Pressure Points. Especially the On Plane location and direction of the Hands and Clubshaft for Impact. The “Start Down” Waggle does the same for the Top alignments and could be treated as part of the Practice Stroke. It’s a “Look, Look, Look” situation (3-B) – especially for beginners – to develop Monitoring skill. It should be repeated until the motion is being satisfactorily executed. It can, and should, be taken on through the Address Waggle area. Check for On Plane Clubshaft and Right Shoulder (2-F), for the Right Forearm tracing the Delivery Line (5-0, 10-5-0) and for “Clearing the Right Hip” (2-N-0, 10-14). Returning to Address Position may be optional. All this gives a clear picture of the Downstroke activities – instead of the usual “Downstroke Black-out.” See 7-2 and 12-3-18.
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6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES
The Clubhead may appear to move in an arc around and outside the Hands when related to the Left Arm – the very basic Left Arm Flying Wedge. But when related to the Right Forearm, it appears to move “On Plane” with the Right Forearm, at its normal rigid angle (Bent Right Wrist) – the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. So – except in Sections 1 and 3 (Chapter '8') the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane – the plane of the Left Wristcock motion. At the same time, the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. That is the precision assembly and alignment of the Power Package structure and is mandatory during the entire motion. Hitting or Swinging. Study 4-D-1 regarding “Grip” and “Flat Left Wrist”. Also see 7-3. Then, ideally, the Left Wrist is always Flat and the Right Wrist is always Level (4-A-1, 4-B-1).
I don't know, what do ya think Homer Kelley would say?? Are the Hands On Plane at Impact?
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