Funny.....Clearly, I suck at hitting, and my understanding of hitting sucks, no doubt about that.
Just because pros dont do it doesent make if invalid......We disagree on that one. If players at the highest level dont do it, its because it doesent hold up better than something else.
Also, not sure Trevino was a hitter, after all, if you listen to what "he said" he did, rather than "interpret" what you thought you saw, he was a swinger!
I guess my main point is.......why, oh, why, are there so many posters who have an inability to hit longer clubs well? (they are crying out for help) And, why can't the informed group on this site articulate a way to provide the necessary help?
I was one of the one who had problems. I misunderstood Hitting as Hitting and forgot about rhythm. And for Hitting , without understanding Plane and what starts first etc, its much much easier to get over the top, steering, casting , not releasing etc.After all its Muscular intention, not CF throwout. When i understood plane etc, how everything interrelates , it really is much better hitting long irons, drivers and I would not go back to swinging .
Much much easier to control hinge action, and i believe i will be Longer Hitting than swinging for a long time to come.
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Funny.....Clearly, I suck at hitting, and my understanding of hitting sucks, no doubt about that.
Just because pros dont do it doesent make if invalid......We disagree on that one. If players at the highest level dont do it, its because it doesent hold up better than something else.
Also, not sure Trevino was a hitter, after all, if you listen to what "he said" he did, rather than "interpret" what you thought you saw, he was a swinger!
I guess my main point is.......why, oh, why, are there so many posters who have an inability to hit longer clubs well? (they are crying out for help) And, why can't the informed group on this site articulate a way to provide the necessary help?
Pops . . . there are PLENTY of pros out there who SAY they use the right arm to accelerate the club . . . what do that make them?
Hogan said he did all kinds of stuff that he didn't do. Kenny Perry is a Hitter . . . but he probably doesn't know it.
How are we NOT supposed to go by what we see? I look at video and stills of Lee Buck I see Hitter . . . I don't care what he says. Pictures don't tell no lies. You tell me how Lee Buck looks like a Swinger?
Advice to Hit longer clubs better . . .
1. Buy a hybrid
2. learn to go all the way DOWN on Plane and OUT on plane.
3. Don't swing harder . . . OVERACCELERATE. Those shafts are longer for a reason. You don't have to create MASSIVE Lag Pressure because you can't sustain it.
4. As the clubs get longer people (I do) tend to place their mind on the CLUBHEAD and NOT the Hands. Focus on the hands. Swing with eyes closed . . . then Hit/Swing it.
5. People are more than likely Steering with the longer clubs.
6. Maintain the 1st Imperative to be sure that you get the full loft on the club.
7. People tend to turn Angled Hinging into Vertical Hinging thus the righties . . . On flatter planes (longer clubs) Angled Hinging tends to look more like Horizontal Hinging because there is less lay back. So be sure that your Hinging isn't Vertical.
8. Make sure you are aligning the clubface with the described procedure in 2-J-1 (I think that's where it is). You must align the face at address to correspond to the selected Hinging AND how hard you intend to hit the ball. Harder with Angled = More Closed . . . the ball is on the clubface longer and close to counter act the laying back. Harder with Horizontal = More Open . . . open to counter act the closing.
Pops . . . there are PLENTY of pros out there who SAY they use the right arm to accelerate the club . . . what do that make them?
Hogan said he did all kinds of stuff that he didn't do. Kenny Perry is a Hitter . . . but he probably doesn't know it.
How are we NOT supposed to go by what we see? I look at video and stills of Lee Buck I see Hitter . . . I don't care what he says. Pictures don't tell no lies. You tell me how Lee Buck looks like a Swinger?
Advice to Hit longer clubs better . . .
1. Buy a hybrid
2. learn to go all the way DOWN on Plane and OUT on plane.
3. Don't swing harder . . . OVERACCELERATE. Those shafts are longer for a reason. You don't have to create MASSIVE Lag Pressure because you can't sustain it.
4. As the clubs get longer people (I do) tend to place their mind on the CLUBHEAD and NOT the Hands. Focus on the hands. Swing with eyes closed . . . then Hit/Swing it.
5. People are more than likely Steering with the longer clubs.
6. Maintain the 1st Imperative to be sure that you get the full loft on the club.
7. People tend to turn Angled Hinging into Vertical Hinging thus the righties . . . On flatter planes (longer clubs) Angled Hinging tends to look more like Horizontal Hinging because there is less lay back. So be sure that your Hinging isn't Vertical.
8. Make sure you are aligning the clubface with the described procedure in 2-J-1 (I think that's where it is). You must align the face at address to correspond to the selected Hinging AND how hard you intend to hit the ball. Harder with Angled = More Closed . . . the ball is on the clubface longer and close to counter act the laying back. Harder with Horizontal = More Open . . . open to counter act the closing.
Also read 7-11 and 10-11 as they relate to hitting. See that you (yes YOU!) must thrust against clubhead lag pressure (#3 PP). What if you're already starting to lose clubhead lag pressure (given that you now aren't relying on your friend cetrifugal force, admit that this is possible)???? I'd say that it would create a lot of problems (as far as getting the same distance as swinging) - as any transfer of power would be ruined.
kenny perry is definitely not a hitter.i grew up with himand play alot of practice rounds with him.you can still have right arm participation and bea swinger.kenny can hitonly a hook,it is almost impossible to draw the ball using hitting motion,because of the geometric alignments.youmay hit controlled pulls but a draw hitting does not jive
kenny perry is definitely not a hitter.i grew up with himand play alot of practice rounds with him.you can still have right arm participation and bea swinger.kenny can hitonly a hook,it is almost impossible to draw the ball using hitting motion,because of the geometric alignments.youmay hit controlled pulls but a draw hitting does not jive
I agree....and that's where Tommy Tomasello comes in with the Magic of the Right Forearm and Swinging.
GI: What happens to the shots of a player who executes these moves?
Tomasello: The player will immediately hit the ball higher and straighter, and substantially longer. The flight pattern will be dead straight to its apex, with the ball falling a touch left or drawing fractionally as it descends.
See the Tomasello Chapter Series #5 Video on Power and the Letter #3 video for drawing the ball references.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 06-23-2007 at 11:00 AM.
I think that many overlook the fact that there are more similarities in the patterns than there are differences. They're not polar opposites. I think that Homer said in a Master's class audio that the player might be the only one that knows what he's doing.
The Hitter has the 4 barrel option, if he wants to bomb one.
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