Look, this hitting "stuff" is not efficient, period, end of story. Swingers dont have an issue with longer clubs (irons or woods), as is CLEARLY the case with those trying a hitting procedure.
Look at the number of posts regarding the SAME TOPIC! No other topic dominates the hitting or swinging category like "I can't hit my long irons, woods, or drivers".
Why is that? Its not a good way to play.
PGA, LPGA, Champions, Nationwide, European, Asian, Australian, tours, and all we can find is Stadler, Quiqely, Doyle, Appleby and Ted
If 99% of the best players on earth don't (cant) use this procedure, why should anyone even go down this path? Now thats insanity.
I believe hitting is a specialty shot, as is a flop or lob shot. Its good for shots inside 160 yards, cuts right through any wind and is accurate within this range, but, its not the most versatile way of "building your game around".
You must swing! It allows far more shot options and overall works better.
Sorry boss . . . no offense but you are DEAD wrong on this'un. You first have to understand it and then you have to execute the alignments. It REALLY isn't that big of a deal once you understand and can execute the procedure.
Guarantee most people that ask the question can't Hit my long irons . . . can't Swing them either . . . that's why everybodies' pimpin' hybrids. In general people get a long iron in their hand and OVERACCELERATE (the menace that stalks all lag and drag). Plus I think people tend to put their focus on the clubhead rather than the hands as the clubs get progressively longer. I actually think it is EASIER to Hit long irons.
Sorry boss . . . no offense but you are DEAD wrong on this'un. You first have to understand it and then you have to execute the alignments. It REALLY isn't that big of a deal once you understand and can execute the procedure.
Guarantee most people that ask the question can't Hit my long irons . . . can't Swing them either . . . that's why everybodies' pimpin' hybrids. In general people get a long iron in their hand and OVERACCELERATE (the menace that stalks all lag and drag). Plus I think people tend to put their focus on the clubhead rather than the hands as the clubs get progressively longer. I actually think it is EASIER to Hit long irons.
And for the record . . . I'm a Swinger.
Well, I agree with the general notion that hitting/swinging long irons is an issue for the masses.
However, the hitting procedure itself, still sucks in general. There are FAR more posts on how to hit longer clubs in the Hitting section, than Swinging section. Its because of inefficientcy of the procedure.
Additionally, no one seems to want to address the dirth of hitters on the major tours....I summize its because it does not work. If it did, more would have "dug it out of the dirt" by now! Literally thousands of professionals and aspiring professionals have experimented with all kinds of ways of getting the ball to the hole, yet, hitting is not a procedure that many do, or employ in there arsenal of shots, why?
(and don't tell me because they have not discovered Homer, thats old and worn out)
(and don't tell me because they have not discovered Homer, thats old and worn out)
Maybe they have discovered Homer, but do they really understand hitting and its application?
How exactly is it surprising that people can hit with short irons but not long irons and woods? Has there ever been a "swinger" that, when first starting out, hit long irons and woods just as well as short irons?
Maybe all the people, that have the woods/irons problem, are "just starting out" (in understanding and application). Is that so hard to believe, given one can basically only find solid information on hitting from TGM and this site???? And given the fact that those who we know to have a solid understanding of hitting and who have put in the correct practice (example Ted Fort) do just as well as swingers (in distance and accuracy)???? AND given the fact that any and all "decent" mainstream golf instruction (instruction that, like it or not, is in the memory of even TGMers, and creates habits and biases) is based on swinging????
These days, in my opinion, most people on tour do not dig it out of the dirt.
But, back when they did, I think any normal person would agree that there were more variations, some of which clearly tended toward hitting (Palmer, Traveno). So if they don't dig it out of the dirt, what kind of instruction are they getting? As detailed above, certainly not instruction with any knowledge of the hitting option.
There's alot of blame to go around as to why the swinging procedure might SEEM more effiecient, but the hitting procedure itself is not part of this blame.
The genius of Tomasello's TGM approach is he used both.....on the range Tommy said to me....if you want to get this game in your hip pocket....learn to hit and swing. That's why Tommy had three schools.....a swinging school, a hitting school and an advanced school which taught the golfer to utilize both hitting and swinging on the course. NOW, can you see why Tommy used the Magic of the Right Forearm for both Hitting and Swinging. The word efficiency should come to mind....someday, some members might catch on. Nothin like a low 3 barrel hitting procedure with the driver or 3 wood....a la Tomasello from the Australia video series. Just another shot in your bag.
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Last edited by Delaware Golf : 06-15-2007 at 09:07 PM.
Well, I agree with the general notion that hitting/swinging long irons is an issue for the masses.
However, the hitting procedure itself, still sucks in general. There are FAR more posts on how to hit longer clubs in the Hitting section, than Swinging section. Its because of inefficientcy of the procedure.
Additionally, no one seems to want to address the dirth of hitters on the major tours....I summize its because it does not work. If it did, more would have "dug it out of the dirt" by now! Literally thousands of professionals and aspiring professionals have experimented with all kinds of ways of getting the ball to the hole, yet, hitting is not a procedure that many do, or employ in there arsenal of shots, why?
(and don't tell me because they have not discovered Homer, thats old and worn out)
Ok . . . define what Hitting is in your opinion . . .
Could not be that your understanding or hitting alignments suck . . . or you suck at hitting . . . and not that hitting sucks?
There are Major Winners who are Hitters AP. . . Stads . . . Lee Buck . . . Larry Nelson. That ain't a bad list.
Just because pros don't do it doesn't make it invalid. Hell pros don't swing like Moe Norman but pretty much to a man they said he hit it better than any of them.
Try a Closed-Closed Plane Line and an Open-Open Mind.
Oh yeah . . . and it's because they haven't discovered Homer .
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With any shots, there must be Rhythm. Without it , there is no consistencies, over acceleration, no connections and dependencies.
There are tons of hitters as there are a lot of swingers Models, and not a simple matter of splitting the golfdom into a IDEAL swinging or Hitting Models. Neither the 'best' model can play best.
For example, its not necessary to start hitting from a IMPACT fix setup, neither this component is meant for Hitting only.
Hinge action, angle of attack, Plane angle, how closed the face ( ball position and alignment) at impact controls the trajectories. not the hitting or swinging action. its possible to get high or low with hitting or swinging. Hitter can hits draw, Swinger can do fade with a change in hinge action.
I personally think the real difference in How to, between hitting and swinging is clearly separated in chapter 7-3.
I am pretty strong and I get longer hitting. At my low effort, its about my swinging length. And they are not that different execution wise , we don't need to consciously change 24 component to separate between a hit and a swing.
One very strong point about HITTING. superior control of the Hinge action. Don't call me a swinger, I will be offended !
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Look, this hitting "stuff" is not efficient, period, end of story. Swingers dont have an issue with longer clubs (irons or woods), as is CLEARLY the case with those trying a hitting procedure.
Look at the number of posts regarding the SAME TOPIC! No other topic dominates the hitting or swinging category like "I can't hit my long irons, woods, or drivers".
Why is that? Its not a good way to play.
PGA, LPGA, Champions, Nationwide, European, Asian, Australian, tours, and all we can find is Stadler, Quiqely, Doyle, Appleby and Ted
If 99% of the best players on earth don't (cant) use this procedure, why should anyone even go down this path? Now thats insanity.
I believe hitting is a specialty shot, as is a flop or lob shot. Its good for shots inside 160 yards, cuts right through any wind and is accurate within this range, but, its not the most versatile way of "building your game around".
You must swing! It allows far more shot options and overall works better.
Well, you knew the insane one (that would be me) would have to disagree on many points.
Although I've taught some Tour Players, I do not play for a living. So, I shouldn't be included in your list of players. I'm a teacher that loves to play, and I wish I had more time to do so.
But, I am capable of Hitting. I have had sub-par rounds in tournaments using the procedure. And, I'm presently Hitting the ball very well. I was a bad Swinger.
In my second match of our 2006 Georgia Match Play Championship, I was 5 under on the 4 par fives (one eagle and three birdies). So, apparently, distance is not a problem for a Hitter.
Until I met Lynn, I had never met a Golfing Machine teacher that thought Hitting was a valid procedure. And, I knew many. Homer thought Hitting was equally useful, precise, and powerful. With him, I agree. I do not agree with the school of thought that Hitting is only for the short game. I don't know many that could truly describe the Angle of Approach Procedure. So, if anyone had ever tried to Hit, it was probably not pure.
As much as I'm ashamed to have to agree with Bucket , it is overacceleration that ruins the ability to Hit a driver. Since we have no club longer than a driver, we add too much (early) speed when we want to Hit the ball hard. The slow Start Down for the Hitter (mentioned in 6-H-0) is mandatory.
Hitting is a lost art. But, I'm very happy to have found it.
Well, you knew the insane one (that would be me) would have to disagree on many points.
Although I've taught some Tour Players, I do not play for a living. So, I shouldn't be included in your list of players. I'm a teacher that loves to play, and I wish I had more time to do so.
But, I am capable of Hitting. I have had sub-par rounds in tournaments using the procedure. And, I'm presently Hitting the ball very well. I was a bad Swinger.
In my second match of our 2006 Georgia Match Play Championship, I was 5 under on the 4 par fives (one eagle and three birdies). So, apparently, distance is not a problem for a Hitter.
Until I met Lynn, I had never met a Golfing Machine teacher that thought Hitting was a valid procedure. And, I knew many. Homer thought Hitting was equally useful, precise, and powerful. With him, I agree. I do not agree with the school of thought that Hitting is only for the short game. I don't know many that could truly describe the Angle of Approach Procedure. So, if anyone had ever tried to Hit, it was probably not pure.
As much as I'm ashamed to have to agree with Bucket , it is overacceleration that ruins the ability to Hit a driver. Since we have no club longer than a driver, we add too much (early) speed when we want to Hit the ball hard. The slow Start Down for the Hitter (mentioned in 6-H-0) is mandatory.
Hitting is a lost art. But, I'm very happy to have found it.
So, no...I must not Swing.
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I switched to hitting and in 2 weeks I am HITTING my driver better than ever. I am sustaining the lag, I have video proof.
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
Ok . . . define what Hitting is in your opinion . . .
Could not be that your understanding or hitting alignments suck . . . or you suck at hitting . . . and not that hitting sucks?
There are Major Winners who are Hitters AP. . . Stads . . . Lee Buck . . . Larry Nelson. That ain't a bad list.
Just because pros don't do it doesn't make it invalid. Hell pros don't swing like Moe Norman but pretty much to a man they said he hit it better than any of them.
Try a Closed-Closed Plane Line and an Open-Open Mind.
Oh yeah . . . and it's because they haven't discovered Homer .
Funny.....Clearly, I suck at hitting, and my understanding of hitting sucks, no doubt about that.
Just because pros dont do it doesent make if invalid......We disagree on that one. If players at the highest level dont do it, its because it doesent hold up better than something else.
Also, not sure Trevino was a hitter, after all, if you listen to what "he said" he did, rather than "interpret" what you thought you saw, he was a swinger!
I guess my main point is.......why, oh, why, are there so many posters who have an inability to hit longer clubs well? (they are crying out for help) And, why can't the informed group on this site articulate a way to provide the necessary help?
We disagree on that one. If players at the highest level dont do it, its because it doesent hold up better than something else.
Please do tell....What in the world suggests that players on the highest level have the correct information that would enable them to hit????? (Or players of the "lowest level", for that matter????) Even a player truely digs it out of the dirt, it is laughable to think that they are not influenced by popular instruction.
Also, there are people that hit well. Are you suggesting that they are "freaks of nature?" ( Or maybe they have and can apply the correct information.)
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, it is overacceleration that ruins the ability to Hit a driver. Since we have no club longer than a driver, we add too much (early) speed when we want to Hit the ball hard. The slow Start Down for the Hitter (mentioned in 6-H-0) is mandatory.
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