Hello. I've been into TGM since early fall last year. It has done wonders to my game. I have learned alot reading here. But I've hit a brick wall in a couple of parts in my swing..
Here's my sequences.
The problems:
-Arched left wrist. I just can't seem to hit the ball well with a flat left wrist. It seems like my left wrist is so arched at the top, that I have to flip a little bit in the downswing, so that my primary lever radius isn't too short.
-Slight overswivel.
Any help with these problems would be greatly appreciated. Other advice on increasing the precision in my stroke also welcome.
Thanks.
Looks like you are using a club with a fair amount of loft yet ball position is pretty much under low point. Hence you have pushed your hands forward at address to give you the shaft lean you need. The problem is that sets your hands and wrists into that arched position that you aren't liking. Push the ball and your hands back a bit at address and the left wrist will flatten out at fix and you have more chance of keeping it that way. I am opnly talking back a bit, don't overdo it.
Doing that will probably also help frame 2 in the DTL view where teh club has come inside a bit too quick and you are off plane.
Overall though it is a nice motion, would love a head as steady as yours! What do you play off? Do you feel you are a hitter or swinger?
Some things that I see that to me (I'm not an AI), indicate a mixing of components:
1) You start from impact fix (a hitters "preference"). As Toolish said, you seem to have over-cooked the forward ball position and, combined with a very forward leaning shaft, is forcing you to put that left wrist in an arched position.
1a) Looks under-plane at startup, but it appears you're trying to carry it back with the clubface still "looking at the ball" as a hitter would. (Looks like not enough "fanning" and not enough right forearm pickup).
2) You go to "Top" (as a hitter "should").
3) Looks like you're empoying a pitch elbow (a swingers preference), rather than the more "at-the-side" punch elbow position of a hitter.
4) Your very "complete" finish position looks more like a swinger than a hitter, so your pivot may be a bit "confused". Are you "spinning the flywheel" (swinger) or "taking up the slack" on the start-down in preparation for using your right shoulder as a backstop (hitter)?
Nice on-plane right forearm at setup and impact.
Bottom line.... I see a mixture of hitting and swinging elements. The arched left wrist is probably a compensation tied to it. The clubface looks very "shut" as a result of the arched wrist. I suspect if you were to sequence your release and use horizontal hinging you'd be taking out everything on the left side of the range.
Do you have a preferred pattern (hitting or swinging)?
CG
Last edited by cometgolfer : 05-07-2008 at 07:34 PM.
Never thought that's why I'd arch my wrist, Toolish..But it does make sense, so I'm gonna move my ball position back.
I actually play off 10,2 (EGA) at the moment. But thats gonna change pretty soon, I've made some big breakthroughs lately in my impact conditions. Last year I could not hit ANY shot pure. Now after winter practice with TGM I'm getting pretty good compression and pure shots on chips, pitches, full shots.. I'm making way more birdies, and I shot my personal best on the front nine of my course last week (par).
cometgolfer, it does seem like I'm mixing hitting and swinging. What I feel in the downswing, is that I actually pull with my right arm to the pitch elbow position, and then push the club through impact. From what I've read about right arm swinging, it makes the right elbow center of the stroke, and that certainly isn't happening with me. But I definately have alot of right arm participation.
I feel like I take the slack very aggressively while almost simultaneously using my right arm. I don't conciously use my pivot till the finish, so I'm just posing the finish .
If I'm gonna start changing these components to more of a swinging or hitting pattern, I'll choose the hitters pattern. I love the right arm participation.
So here's my question: can a hitter use the pitch elbow?
If I'm gonna start changing these components to more of a swinging or hitting pattern, I'll choose the hitters pattern. I love the right arm participation.
So here's my question: can a hitter use the pitch elbow?
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I guess you could, but it would seem more difficult and less efficient for delivering the right arm thrust that a hitter uses (take a look at 10-3).
The TGM journey is an interesting one. The more you get into it and the more you understand the component inter-relationships, the more clear the book becomes and you start to understand why it's written the way it is. For instance, the elbow position you employ is going to affect your hinge motion and your rhythm which are different for hitting and swinging.
If you're going with a hitters pattern (and I think that's a good choice for you) I'd start with 12-1-0 and stay as close to it as possible.
From what I see and from what you've said so far, Comet is giving you good advise.
Couple of pointers on Hitting -
For hitting, try a 10-2-D grip. It's a strong grip but perfect for angled hinging because it facilitates the simultaneous uncock/roll very well.
Rather than trace the plane line, you will take a more closed line to the ball and one way to set this up is at address is:
In your address position move your right elbow a little more toward your side rather than in front of your left hip. You are going to use a push basic stroke. Looking down at your right forearm, you will see the path that your hands will take up and back down. Follow that line with your hands for your backstroke and downstroke. You can pre-clear your right hip at address to make room for your hands to move up at startup.
Take a slow startdown and at your release point, straighten your right arm as hard as you want. Use your stationary right shoulder as a backstop when you start pushing. The primary focus for pushing is your #1 pressure point. Use the palm of your right hand to drive the base of your left thumb through impact.
This is the easy stuff, the hard part is keeping your right wrist bent through impact. Don't allow the right wrist to flatten until you are into your follow-through.
There is a lot more in hitting to learn about. The advise on this site in the Hitting section is the best anywhere because Ted and others know how to execute a Hit stroke. I only used it for a year, but got a big whiff of it.
Best wishes on your Hitting journey and enjoy the laser guided rockets you'll be launching.
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Bagger
1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly
I was at the range today and decided to try the punch elbow - and much to my surprise I quite liked it and maybe even hit it better than with the pitch elbow. So I'm definately dropping the pitch elbow.
Yeah, the book is alot clearer now than when I started reading. I've had so many a-ha! moments with the book and at the range. But there's still lots and lots for me to learn.
Thanks for the tips Bagger, I'm sure they will come in handy.. I shall start giving the hitters forum more attention!
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