Hook, line, & sinker?

[neil]

Jim,I think you either have to turn faster (swinging ) or HIT harder -with all the associated hazards - 2-M-3 !.Now if you could explain how we get from elbow plane to shoulder plane to hand plane ..all in one swing..I would really appreciate it! Great thread for us begginers in particular.

[RickPinewild]

Jim,we don't speed up the belt it is simply the change to angular motion as the belt goes around the pully.Now if you could explain how we get from elbow plane to shoulder plane to hand plane ..all in one swing..I would really appreciate it! Great thread for us begginers in particular.

I picture the plane as the PANE OF GLASS in the Hogan book that starts on the lie angle of the club (approx 55* to 65*) and then the top of the plane raises vertically as you swing the club up and then lowers back to the lie angle plane at impact, but the base line remains the same. At every point guring the swing, one end of the shaft is pointing at an extension of the base line of the plane, or parrallel to it.

Rick

[neil]

Thanks Rick, I actually understand that part .It is the location of the turning shoulder plane which I suppose i am struggling with.Sorry should have been more precise.

[nevermind]

I have never understood how someone could have the shaft, right shoulder and right arm all on the Turned Shoulder Plane at imapct without a straight right arm. However, in a recent thread someone said that nowhere in the book does it say that the shoulder should be on the TSP at impact, so I guess that answers that.

[tongzilla]

However, in a recent thread someone said that nowhere in the book does it say that the shoulder should be on the TSP at impact, so I guess that answers that.

Homer:
"After a 13-B or 12-C Backstroke Shoulder Turn, the Right Shoulder moves toward Impact precisely on the preselected Downstroke Clubshaft Plane, estblishing and supporting the Power Package Delivery alignments."

[nevermind]

Homer:
"After a 13-B or 12-C Backstroke Shoulder Turn, the Right Shoulder moves toward Impact precisely on the preselected Downstroke Clubshaft Plane, estblishing and supporting the Power Package Delivery alignments."

How can it possibly move on anything but the TSP? Isn't the TSP the angle from the tip of the rear shoulder at the end of the backstroke, no matter where it stops, to the baseline of the plane?

Tong, it's a nice quote, but doesn't really clear up (for me, it's all about me remember ) whether or not the rear shoulder should remain on its downstroke plane angle from the End, to the end of the Follow Through, never leaving it. Is there an official, written in concrete, answer on that?

There was a pic posted by Mathew in the Delivery Path and Flying Wedges thread showing Yoda "achieving a perfect Turned Shoulder Plane with Zero Shift". Yoda's shoulder was above the TSP at impact, and I asked if that was indeed perfect execution, because if it was I could update my understanding. Nobody answered, and I didn't push it. Maybe I should have

[Mike O]

How can it possibly move on anything but the TSP? Isn't the TSP the angle from the tip of the rear shoulder at the end of the backstroke, no matter where it stops, to the baseline of the plane?

Tong, it's a nice quote, but doesn't really clear up (for me, it's all about me remember ) whether or not the rear shoulder should remain on its downstroke plane angle from the End, to the end of the Follow Through, never leaving it. Is there an official, written in concrete, answer on that?

There was a pic posted by Mathew in the Delivery Path and Flying Wedges thread showing Yoda "achieving a perfect Turned Shoulder Plane with Zero Shift". Yoda's shoulder was above the TSP at impact, and I asked if that was indeed perfect execution, because if it was I could update my understanding. Nobody answered, and I didn't push it. Maybe I should have

I think it's obvious that the right shoulder is ideally just on-plane during the start-down. If it's thrusting - then ideally during that thrust period it would be on plane- but not necessary as you could have an offsetting thrust to balance it out if it was thrusting offplane- see 2-N-1 for that discussion. Of course, there are certain limited conditions/strokes where the right shoulder could be on-plane throughout the downstroke - but we're talking about the norm i.e. you'll have a tough time finding a professional who has their right shoulder on plane at impact- if not impossible. For those that think the right shoulder should/could be on plane throughout the downstroke then you'll need to clearly prove your point.