2-P DOWN into the Ground to Full Lever Extension

[Yoda]

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As always, I greatly appreciate your response Lynn. I'm still not sure that I've been clear enough on my
question though, so perhaps I'll phrase it another way, as it relates to the
flail.

As a hypothetical - if you had a completely verticle plane/plane angle, with
a fixed center from which a flail swung perfectly verticle, in plane, with
two hinges below the fixed center, all hinge motion on plane:

with a pure swinging motion, even tempo, (pendulum) the flail would stay
straight, there would be no hinging and the flail would swing back and
through as if one solid radius

If you change the ratio/tempo of the backswing to forward swing to 3 to 1 by
putting a force directly against the first hinge below center you have
created hinge motion at the change of direction, you have created LAG and the
two lower sections of the flail would be out of line until a point on the
forward motion where the hinge/flail would again be straight, and eventually
pass the 'in line' condition.

The angle of the force applied would change at what point the flail would be
straight again (as does the tempo/change of direction ratio).

At what point in the circle would you/Homer consider the best place for
the flail to be straight, and what would the required angle of force on the
first hinge be?

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Thanks to Digger's 'death match' wake-up call, let me answer your question in
a way that will benefit more readers of this site:


The Golfer's Flail (2-K) will reach Full Extension, i.e., go from Level
(4-B-1) to Uncocked (4-B-3), an inch or two past Impact. The Thrust of the
Stroke will continue Downplane (toward the Plane Line) until the Right Elbow
has Fully Straightened.

[Yoda]

At what point on the plane line is the thrust directed to ensure that both
arms straight occurs just past impact?

In the example I gave, what would the angle of the flail be with the
ground when it returned to its fully in line condition?


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The Follow-Through (8-11) defines the Full Extension of both
Arms, and it does not normally occur "just past Impact."
Instead, what does occur is the Full Extension of the Primary Lever
Assembly -- the Left Arm and Club (the Golfer's Flail) -- as the Right
Elbow remains Bent.

The Point of Thrust necessary to ensure both the above conditions is the Ball
(when its Location agrees with the unique Straightaway Flight requirement of
the Golf Club being used) or alternatively, a compensating Aiming Point
(6-E-2).

Regarding the angle of the Flail with the Ground, Full Extension (Angular
Momentum per 2-K #2) occurs theoretically at Low Point, and the Flail would
be perpendicular (90 degrees) to the Plane Line. However, in practice, the
actual angle to the Plane Line -- the Forward Lean -- is dependent upon (and
therefore determined by) the Shoulder-To-Ball Angle of the Left Arm Flying
Wedge at Impact Fix.

[Yoda]

Just to clarify, Homer assumes the flail begins at the left shoulder joint?
If so, how does he account for the shoulder line in the physics of the flail?
It could be argued that the flail begins in the RIGHT shoulder at the other
extreme, and that the downward thrust of the right shoulder is the 'driving
force'.

But in either of those cases, there is no STABLE CENTER for the flail to be
fixed to, unless it is the point in the center of the shoulder line, and the
flail of force, the first 'link' in the flail is not a body part, but a line
in 3 dimensional space from the center of the shoulder line to PP1 - in which
case both arms straight past impact is EXACTLY when the true flail of force
is again in line.

I remain open to being convinced otherwise, but your statement of:

-- is dependent upon (and therefore determined by) the Shoulder-To-Ball Angle
of the Left Arm Flying Wedge at Impact Fix.

Would seem to support my position of 'hugging' the 'first link' of the flail,
as would the added benefit of ensuring the ball is long, long gone before
true throw away could occur. All of the impact conditions Homer described
would still hold true, but this removes the question of:

However, in practice, the actual angle to the Plane Line -- the Forward Lean
-- is dependent upon (and therefore determined by) the Shoulder-To-Ball Angle
of the Left Arm Flying Wedge at Impact Fix.

In other words, it is the hands to shoulder line relationship, the hands
(PP1) moving around the fixed center between the shoulders/base of the neck.

I'm not trying to discredit Homer, or anyone else, just trying to understand
something that doesn't add up about the left shoulder being the begining of
the flail - the lack of a stable center to create true rotational force


Thanks - EdZ

My answers have assumed the Scientific Principles and Terminology of The
Golfing Machine and are correct within that context.


Though I hoped otherwise, I suspected a hidden agenda in your line of
questioning and am not surprised to see it surface. If you wish to redefine
the Flail (and you apparently do) as an ethereal 'line in
three-dimensional space' connecting the Center of the Shoulder Turn to the #1
Pressure Point -- or from the Right Foot to the #3 Pressure Point, for that
matter -- then be my guest. My only request is that, in the future, please
inform me of any non-TGM compliant personal definitions in advance of
an extensive discussion and not in arrears.

[Yoda]

My only agenda is to learn more, and to help others learn more, about playing
great golf. If TGM can do that, I'm all for it, 100%. I have nothing to hide,
nobody to discredit. This left shoulder flail bit makes no sense to me,
and I'm respectfully seeking your wisedom on the matter.

So if 'redefine' in your book means asking about something in TGM that
makes no sense to me, then yes, I am redefining. Whatever you want to
call it, I seek to understand, and this seems a very critical point to
understand. The flail is the core of the entire swing. I have no argument at
all with the basic science presented by Homer. In fact, the science supports
my view.

So in the spirit of learning, convince me why Homer had it right and the
shoulder line isn't considered part of the flail, only the left shoulder?
It makes no sense unless you have a left arm only stroke with zero pivot or
shoulder turn and only right arm thrust. Efficient rotational motion must
have a stable center.


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My mission on this site is to teach the Principles and Procedures of The
Golfing Machine, not to convince others that their own concepts are
invalid (though that is often the unavoidable by-product of the
mission). And 'rededfining' is not "asking about something in TGM that
makes no sense to me." Instead, it is conciously rejecting a straightforward
tenet of TGM and replacing it with one's own.

This is what you have done with The Golfer's Flail, and as I've said, I have
no problem with that. But let's tell it like it is and be upfront about it
before asking someone -- namely me -- to invest time answering a question you
knew full well in advance would not -- indeed, could not -- be
answered according to your own undisclosed definition.

That said, I will address your question as to why Homer did not include the
shoulder line as part of the Flail.

The Golfer's Flail -- the Left Arm and Club -- is the Primary Lever Assembly
(6-A-2) that ultimately applies Force to the Ball. It is attached to the Body
at the Left Shoulder. Pivot Lag -- Body Power for Swingers and
Launching Pad for Hitters -- is the 'gear train' that uses multiple Centers
(Shoulders, Hips and Knees) to extend the Swing Radius of the Flail to any
point from the Shoulder Turn to the Feet (6-C-0). However, this 'gear train
extension' is not the Flail itself. It is the mechanism by which
the Flail is accelerated.


Now, if the above explanation of The Golfer's Flail "makes no
sense" to you, well...it makes no sense (to you). I've
done my job, i.e., I've 'informed and explained' to the best of my ability,
and you have chosen to reject the concept. Fine. As I've said, if you want to
consider the Flail as an ethereal 'line of force' in three-dimensional space
from the mid-point of the shoulders to the Hands, then that is your decision.
Just know that it is not the TGM concept, and the burden of proof, therefore,
is on you, not me