The journey from "end" back to "top"...

[golfbulldog]

Can you see the arrow being pulled from the quiver here? Get your club prepare to make a hammering motion in a vertical plane outside of your left shoulder. Let the club go way back and don't worry about your left arm bending at the elbow. Now hammer the ground from there. Did you "hit" with the hammer (club in this case) or did you swing/pull the hammer down? Now switch from the vertical plane of motion to the inclined plane. What did you find?

Hey on you Max Trigger Short Game question . . . check the pics in the book where you got these photos where Hogan is hitting short shots. Looks like Push Basic to me??? Hollatcha!

I agree with the push basic stroke in his wedges... he didn't go deep pitch position on all his shots... i guess with the correct change in aiming point this can occur naturally... and i think that there may be benefit for pictching...maybe... because lag pressure without aiming point concept is like Mike Tyson without eyes... all that power but nowhere to aim it effectively...

On these pics here... i do see arrow being pulled from quiver...I see the butt of the club move about 3 inches away from the target at the start of the downswing... i see about 40 degrees of shoulder rotation( from about 110 back to 70) and hardly any downward motion of the shoulder yet... i see the shaft go from being straight to bent...I can see his pp3 loaded...

I originally thought that you get more longitudinal pull ( more horizontal motion of shaft during the "top arc" section) by keeping the pp3 quarter turned for longer... and that this was associated with shoulder rotation before tilt... with axis tilt and rotation of pp3 back to "aft" also being associated... but just not sure... there must be some manifestation in the pivot from delaying the rotation of pp3 from top of shaft to aft.... just guessing at moment...

Here is Byron Nelson ( Winning Golf) at a real "top" position ( hands shoulder high)...

shoulders only 45 degrees rotated and right shoulder has not gone down much... I reckon he is still feeling lag pressure more on the top of the shaft than aft...

Now with your hammer stuff... it is 6.30 AM and the couple in the apartment below are already suspicious of the thuds on their ceiling ... but i think that i get what you mean... i pull my left arm down and club will uncock left wrist naturally on whichever plane i pull it down on... in vertical only plane there is no subsequent sequential release/rotation of forearm...but that does occur on an inclined plane...

[12 piece bucket]

I agree with the push basic stroke in his wedges... he didn't go deep pitch position on all his shots... i guess with the correct change in aiming point this can occur naturally... and i think that there may be benefit for pictching...maybe... because lag pressure without aiming point concept is like Mike Tyson without eyes... all that power but nowhere to aim it effectively...

On these pics here... i do see arrow being pulled from quiver...I see the butt of the club move about 3 inches away from the target at the start of the downswing... i see about 40 degrees of shoulder rotation( from about 110 back to 70) and hardly any downward motion of the shoulder yet... i see the shaft go from being straight to bent...I can see his pp3 loaded...

I originally thought that you get more longitudinal pull ( more horizontal motion of shaft during the "top arc" section) by keeping the pp3 quarter turned for longer... and that this was associated with shoulder rotation before tilt... with axis tilt and rotation of pp3 back to "aft" also being associated... but just not sure... there must be some manifestation in the pivot from delaying the rotation of pp3 from top of shaft to aft.... just guessing at moment...

Here is Byron Nelson ( Winning Golf) at a real "top" position ( hands shoulder high)...

shoulders only 45 degrees rotated and right shoulder has not gone down much... I reckon he is still feeling lag pressure more on the top of the shaft than aft...

Now with your hammer stuff... it is 6.30 AM and the couple in the apartment below are already suspicious of the thuds on their ceiling ... but i think that i get what you mean... i pull my left arm down and club will uncock left wrist naturally on whichever plane i pull it down on... in vertical only plane there is no subsequent sequential release/rotation of forearm...but that does occur on an inclined plane...

Dawg . . . Keep in mind the two very DISTINCT natures of Hand Acceleration being employed in Swinging vs. Hitting. The Swinger dependent upon CF reaches his Maximum Hand Speed MUCH quicker than the Hitter. The Swinger has a quick Start Down by spinning the flywheel. He reaches his Max Hand Speed very early (particularly Hogan with the quick hip turn). Once he reaches the speed he just uses the pivot to stay ahead. He has the pivot (MASS) to continue propelling the arms as the pivots momentum is transfered. So he can go to END (but doesn't have to) in order to have more arc to drag the club through and to get the Right Forearm in line with the Secondary Lever Assembly (club) to pull it downplane. The last thing the Swinger wants to do is to try to add further acceleration via the Right Tricep because will stiffle CF and essentially become a Hitter.

The Hitter on the other hand is TOTALLY AND UTTERLY dependent upon his THRUST generated by the Tricep. He advisedly doesn't go to End but stops at Top in order to keep his Right Forearm and Pressure Point in line with the Primary Lever Assembly (Left Arm and Club = 2 X 4). The Hitter has to have a slow Start Down so he doesn't "shoot his wad too early" via Accelerating too quickly unlike the Swinger. He must continue to THRUST with the Triceps to stiffle CF. If he were to go to End, odds are a) he would lose the in line relationship with the Primary Lever destroying his alignments and b) he would have TOO MUCH arc to move his hands through and couldn't continue to Accelerate/Thrust through the longer Arc.

I must call you to the carpet on the Byron Nelson pic though . . . that isn't a Top pic . . . that is a START DOWN pic.

[Yoda]

Wonderful post, Bucket. Thanks!

And thanks also for the photo of Lord Byron at the Top. The Head is nicely centered, and the Pivot is textbook.

As a result, his Back does not lean well away from the Target and, in fact, is vertical. Compare the Head position and Pivot with TGM Photo 9-2-6. Note the angle of the Back to the vertical: Both exhibit little or no "pie."