The Tomasello Tapes -- Chapter Five / Power

[6bmike]

I'm just thinking here, could be wrong...

If you have a obviously whippy shaft, and hold the club up, the shaft will droop because the weight of the clubhead. No continuous movement. Things just are. The hands feel the pressure generated by this initial lag.

Trying to think back to physics, isn't weight a measure of pressure (as opposed to mass - a measure of the "stuff" inside an object)?

Then you must move the club in a way to maintain this initial pressure (or else there is no way you can maintain control of the club - the club then dictates movement). I think this is how the hands are sensors, how they dictate body movement - they know to maintain the pressure and will instruct the body to move in a way that keeps the pressure (for example, if the right hip is in the way, blocking hand movement, pressure can't be maintained, educated hands that feel pressure tell the hip to get the heck out of the way).

Loading #3 Pressure Point and its resistence to directional change is Clubhead Lag PRESSURE. Pull a Mop- Drag. Over come its resistence to create Pressure to move it. Clutch and squeeze the mop handle as hard and as tight as you want- it doesn't have Lag pressure- a tight grip, yes, Lag pressure- none. It has to change direction. The Down Swing- if if you are a Swinger- pull.

The Hands do not create pressure- they feel and monitor it. The Hands do not move it. They are MOVED. They are moved by the power accumulators from Start Down.

How and when do the Hands feel pressure that says the right hip is in the way and "blocking hand movement"?

[SECGolf]

Loading #3 Pressure Point and its resistence to directional change is Clubhead Lag PRESSURE. Pull a Mop- Drag. Over come its resistence to create Pressure to move it. Clutch and squeeze the mop handle as hard and as tight as you want- it doesn't have Lag pressure- a tight grip, yes, Lag pressure- none. It has to change direction. The Down Swing- if if you are a Swinger- pull.

The Hands do not create pressure- they feel and monitor it. The Hands do not move it. They are MOVED. They are moved by the power accumulators from Start Down.

How and when do the Hands feel pressure that says the right hip is in the way and "blocking hand movement"?

If you pick up a mop, hold it (don't move it) so the handle is parallel to the ground, the weight of the mop head is most certainly pulling on the handle (down) The hands can sense this pressure. There is a droop in the handle. Read section titled "Loading the Lag" In just one example, (drag loading), it is written that club head lag is established by throwing the club against the pressure point. NO change of direction there. Even before its resistance to change, there is clubhead lag, that creates pressure on the hands.

When the hands are moved (IN AGREEMENT), more pressure can be created (thus distance control in "5 yard increments."

When -The hands feel the pressure when INITIAL clubhead lag pressure is established. See "Loading the Lag."

How - through feel (nerves). Get a fishing pole. tie a weight on instead of bait. you can feel the pressure of this weight in your hands. No movement needed.
PULL A MOP - HECK YES. If you don't pull a mop you will certainly lose the INITIAL clubhead lag pressure. If you want to splash someone with a bunch of water, go ahead create more pressure. By maintaining clubhead lag, you have the ability to direct the club on plane and you do not violate the law of the flail - direction and thrust.

"Resistance to directional change" This resistance is there in the mop and the
clubhead when the items are held up independent of any movement (just there - inert) "create pressure to move it" You are simply creating more pressure ( not initial club head lag pressure). Look at the picture of clubhead lag in the book. It is just there, no movement needed to create initial pressure. That is how the hands can moniter from the top.

You could move the right hip without dictation from the hands. But per 5-0 this would be pivot controlled hands. As stated in the book, this method will work, but you risk precision.

[SECGolf]

Clutch and squeeze the mop handle as hard and as tight as you want- it doesn't have Lag pressure- a tight grip, yes, "?

Interesting mention of tight grip. That's why the common advice of a "loose grip" can be harmful. Severe reduction in the chance of your computer registering initial club head lag. Didn't Kelley say club head lag is elusive? I know the secret of golf. You have got to detect the pressure in your hands and maintain it (by driving the hands).

[6bmike]

Dude- put the mop head on the floor. It is the feel of dragging a mop on a floor to feel lag pressure- not holding it outward in a carry. Resisting the change in inertia.

All lag pressure is from change of direction- even 'throwing’- it is a swingers load of the wrist cock. Then it changes direction- and like a crash test dummy wanting to go through the car window- that #3pp resists the downward pull against the shaft- LAG PRESSURE is born. Come on guy! I’m not bullsheeting you.

Second- your Hands are monitoring too many wrong things. They do not monitor the pivot – they are NO pivot components in section eight or in 12-3-0 for that very reason.


“You could move the right hip without dictation from the hands. But per 5-0 this would be pivot controlled hands. As stated in the book, this method will work, but you risk precision.” I give up.
My Hands trained the hip to move- as I said -the Hands do not need to micro-manage or monitor the pivot. Train it and move on. Let the Hands monitor what is important- the Plane line, Hand Path, its Pressure Points, an Aiming Point, Roll line Prep, etc- go read the checklist, 12-3-0, 45 things to monitor- not one is the pivot.

Hands do not monitor the pivot. They monitor their primary task.


No grip is loose- nor restrictive. My point that you failed to see was that you can clutch or squeeze as hard as you want and it will NOT produce Lag pressure. None what so ever.

[neil]

Dude- put the mop head on the floor. It is the feel of dragging a mop on a floor to feel lag pressure- not holding it outward in a carry. Resisting the change in inertia.

All lag pressure is from change of direction- even 'throwing’- it is a swingers load of the wrist cock. Then it changes direction- and like a crash test dummy wanting to go through the car window- that #3pp resists the downward pull against the shaft- LAG PRESSURE is born. Come on guy! I’m not bullsheeting you.

Second- your Hands are monitoring too many wrong things. They do not monitor the pivot – they are NO pivot components in section eight or in 12-3-0 for that very reason.


“You could move the right hip without dictation from the hands. But per 5-0 this would be pivot controlled hands. As stated in the book, this method will work, but you risk precision.” I give up.
My Hands trained the hip to move- as I said -the Hands do not need to micro-manage or monitor the pivot. Train it and move on. Let the Hands monitor what is important- the Plane line, Hand Path, its Pressure Points, an Aiming Point, Roll line Prep, etc- go read the checklist, 12-3-0, 45 things to monitor- not one is the pivot.

Hands do not monitor the pivot. They monitor their primary task.


No grip is loose- nor restrictive. My point that you failed to see was that you can clutch or squeeze as hard as you want and it will NOT produce Lag pressure. None what so ever.

Nice one Mike.I didn't have time to get into detail earlier but you summed it up in your own inimitable way -LAG is LAG ...Weight is - Weight

[SECGolf]

Nice one Mike.I didn't have time to get into detail earlier but you summed it up in your own inimitable way -LAG is LAG ...Weight is - Weight

Here is where my fog is: (not saying I'm right,etc but better than saying "I think" or "in my opinion" every sentence).

From dictionary.com:
weight: Physics. the force that gravitation exerts upon a body, equal to the mass of the body times the local acceleration of gravity.

So in physics weight is force, or pressure that can be sensed.

Kelley does describe club head lag pressure as a careful nursing of clubhead feel. The main thing that comes from lag pressure is the ability to feel the club head. I'm not sure how to reconcile club head lag pressure (strict definition) with the force that gravitation exerts upon the clubhead (at top).
Regardless, both "situations" produce force which the hands most certainly can feel. The hands now have club head feel. Then they do what is needed not to lose the sensed pressure (clubhead lag pressure is "always loading" - feel the wet mop head through impact). Including telling the body to make the necessary movements not to lose club head feel.

[6bmike]

Here is where my fog is: (not saying I'm right,etc but better than saying "I think" or "in my opinion" every sentence).

From dictionary.com:
weight: Physics. the force that gravitation exerts upon a body, equal to the mass of the body times the local acceleration of gravity.

So in physics weight is force, or pressure that can be sensed.

Kelley does describe club head lag pressure as a careful nursing of clubhead feel. The main thing that comes from lag pressure is the ability to feel the club head. I'm not sure how to reconcile club head lag pressure (strict definition) with the force that gravitation exerts upon the clubhead (at top).
Regardless, both "situations" produce force which the hands most certainly can feel. The hands now have club head feel. Then they do what is needed not to lose the sensed pressure (clubhead lag pressure is "always loading" - feel the wet mop head through impact). Including telling the body to make the necessary movements not to lose club head feel.

No- this is not a "swing the clubhead- feel the clubhead golf swing." You do not hit the ball with the clubhead- you hit the ball with your Hands- the pressure points in your Hands. Clubhead LAG Pressure is in the hands. Clubhead lag Pressure is not in the clubhead, either. And no- its weight unless change resistant- is neither Lag or Lag pressure.

I have tried to explain TGM concepts that are Hands Controlled Pivot but you only want the Swing the Clubhead/dance with the club type of stroke. The pivot works as trained- independently, intuitively, instinctively, and automatically. Trained, trusted and ignored by the Hands.

If you watch this video clip:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery.../509/LBJH3.wmv

If you watch the last third of the clip, you will see Lynn Blake demonstrated the Start Down Waggle as he explains the start down sequence- Hip slide- Instant Acceleration and no self moving Hands (at that point of the stroke). You will see how the pivot sets the hands On Plane- not off, how the hip turn, sets up the right shoulder and right arm On Plane- not off.
But you will see pivot control hands because you want a Hands that Slave a Pivot. Nagging Hands. You feel better with a Hands in motion and let the body turn when needed.

This is how a 12-1-0 or 12-2-0 Golfing Machine G.O.L.F. Stroke works with well Educated Hands controlling the stroke and pivot.

Good luck.

[SECGolf]

No- this is not a "swing the clubhead- feel the clubhead golf swing." You do not hit the ball with the clubhead- you hit the ball with your Hands- the pressure points in your Hands. Clubhead LAG Pressure is in the hands. Clubhead lag Pressure is not in the clubhead, either. And no- its weight unless change resistant- is neither Lag or Lag pressure.



Good luck.

10-19-C (first sentence) "Lag Loading (Clubhead Feel)." I totally agree you hit the ball with the hands. Club head feel is what enables you to to so, because in reality, the club head is what strikes the ball. There has to be a connection with the hands and the clubhead. "its weight unless change resistant" I don't understand this. Just thinking - I believe all weight (force) is change risistant. If this is not a feel the club head swing - how do you direct the clubhead with the hands? Your hands must sense something to direct.

The pressure in your hands is a direct result of what is happening with the clubhead when you make certain movements (drive your hands or make movements that stop the driving of your hands). In other words, the driving of your hands causes the RESULTING ACTION of the club head to transmit pressure that is sensed in the hands. Club head lag pressure is not sensing the driving of your hands (and the hands are driven by accum), but sensing the clubhead via your hands.

6-C-2 CLUBHEAD LAG

"It can be any one or any combination of pressure points selected to Sense CLUBHEAD Acceleration rate and direction" Use Clubhead lag to feel the clubhead.

Also I think there is something to the fact that the glossery does not state, in its definition of Clubhead lag, "resistance of inertia to change in direction", but rather just and only "resistance of inertia to change" (direction and acceleration).

6-C-2-0 Picture Club head at top of swing. per caption "Clubhead lag" (established)

I don't think an independent pivot is 12-1 or 12-2. I believe the hands by sensed pressure, dictate to the pivot (5-0). Thae hands are, by far, are the most reliable parts of the body, when it comes to maintaining a precise hand relationship to the plane line.

As you pretty much stated, no changing each other. Thanks for the replies. If you haven't changed my thinking, it has given me reason to go back to the book in detail - always good.

[SECGolf]

No- this is not a "swing the clubhead- feel the clubhead golf swing."

That's the beauty of The Golfing Machine - Kelley tells us exactly how to feel the clubhead (through the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point) which is associated with "all over control" 7-19.

I don't think Kelley was at odds with greats like Ernest Jones and Percy Boomer.