Originally Posted by 6bmike
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Does what really matter?
7-19-1: what resists the Backstroke motion? I think it is the start down.
Lag NEEDS to resist Inertia and move in the oppose direction.
Just my POV.
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Does what really matter? That's a good question-because it was purposely unclear what I was referring to. It was more meant just for me and my frustration of many people using terminology so loosely that what comes out at the other end isn't right and isn't productive. I was asking that in two perspectives- 1) Does it really matter to anyone that we should use precise definitions in regards to these concepts? and 2) Does it really matter if I'm a nitpicky, a-hole, forum poster? Does anyone really care about "my" details? Of course, I know Bucket does because it gives him ammo to bust my balls.
7-19-1: what resists the Backstroke motion? I think it is the start down.
No and Yes.
In the Golfing Machine "world"- the start down (8-7) is "the first move to the ball", to me it's really that portion of time from the
visual perception of a third party - that the clubshaft is now moving on the downswing until "the motion settles into it's Delivery Line Path (7-23)". In that context- resisting the Backstroke motion is not part of the start down. To me that's clear by reading 7-19-1,2,3 and 8-7. Since I consider this a "Golfing Machine Forum"- I post within the context of the Golfing Machine. I don't post about what I think is wrong with the Golfing Machine. Nor do I post on other issues, procedures, ideas that I consider better, etc. If you want to understand the Golfing Machine- then I view my role as a helper for one to achieve that goal. I don't post to get someone beyond the Golfing Machine because it is tough enough just understanding the Golfing Machine without trashing it in the process. I think one should work to master it and then move on in the search of better and better information- once they believe that they have learned it in full. In summary, therefore I would think that in Homer Kelley's world - "resisting the backstroke" would
not be part of the start down. Obviously, you could interpret that differently and I'm open to change.
Outside of the Golfing Machine- I would view the effort to start down on a neurological level - as the first stage in resisting the visual backstroke motion- followed by the visual startdown sometime later. So in that context, I would say Yes- the Start Down "effort" resists the "visual" Backstroke motion. (Now, I know I contradicted myself above in regards to not posting outside of the Golfing Machine world- and that's a general rule - but I wanted to acknowledge where I agree with you on this and support your statement in the context that it can be supported)
Lag NEEDS to resist Inertia and move in the oppose direction.
Lag IS the resistance to Inertia- it doesn't resist Inertia- something else resists inertia- I.E. your hands, pivot, muscle contractions, some kind of force, etc. Here is a sample sentence- Your hands resist the inertia of the club moving on the backswing which establishes lag.
In summary, I find it important if you really want to understand the Golfing Machine- to have clear definitions of what each concept is. I know that Mr. Kelley in teaching people the book would insist that one "maintain the identities" of each item- that each item has it's own character- it's own definition- it has it's own identity that must be maintained. I believe it was one of his fundamental guidelines that allowed him to be an ultimate problem solver. So to answer Bucket's first question "What is it?"
The "Start Down" (in it's widest application)
is a defined period of time during the golf movement (as noted in 8-7)- and time can't load lag, time can't carry a power package, time isn't Pivot lag. However, Start Down
could be where the "fun begins". Food for thought.
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