Lifetime TGM'er

[O.B.Left]

Not hitting, but Hogan seemed very concerned about keeping perfect balance on the right leg. Any straightening of the right leg or
bowing movement of the left wrist at the top, caused weight to move
to the toes and loss of balance.

Dkerby, Luke or anybody;

Please explain this connection between the bowed left wrist at top or end and the weight moving to the toes. I have both, sadly, and need a fix. I try to correct the wrist but it keeps coming back. On video the left wrist looks good at top but by end it is bowed, what gives?

Very excited to think it might be corrected with rocking abatement intervention (RAI).

O.B.

[dkerby]

OB Left, could you be straightening your back leg when you
go from the top to the end? Vasquez said in his book,
Try cupping the the wrist, but allow the the back knee
to straighten. You've lost your balance again. You still
can't break 80. Make no mistake, the back-knee position
made Ben Hogan's swing. (Hogan said so, I didn't).

Homer said in 7-16, "If the straightening Knee is allowed to
lock "beyond center" the subsequent unlocking is disruptive.

I assume that you are swinging. But being on Yoda Lukes
tread (Yoda Luke being a hitter), you would not want to
go from the top to the end as a hitter.

About Cupping, Vasquez said the Hogan told him that cupping
gave him balance. On the other hand, from talking with Yoda,
Yoda is not a fan of cupping at the top/end, because it sets
the foward hand in a bent condition, if held to impact it would be
the number one mistake of not having a flat forward wrist at
impact.

[YodasLuke]

Dkerby, Luke or anybody;

Please explain this connection between the bowed left wrist at top or end and the weight moving to the toes. I have both, sadly, and need a fix. I try to correct the wrist but it keeps coming back. On video the left wrist looks good at top but by end it is bowed, what gives?

Very excited to think it might be corrected with rocking abatement intervention (RAI).

O.B.

Firstly, I look at everything from a geometric basis. Both, Arching and Bending, shorten the radius (shoulder to sweetspot). Secondly, the act of moving to the toes can move the fulcrum (the Left Shoulder) closer to the ball. Therefore, a shorter radius and a fulcrum that moves closer to the ball can work together, in compensation, to strike the ball. Kudos go to Mr. Hogan for seeing the relationships.

The only reason that I said that it "can" is that sometimes the head will Bob up and back to serve as a counter-balance for the forward change in CG. In this case, the fulcrum is getting closer on one axis and getting further away on another axis causing a multi-compensated stroke. Otherwise, moving to the toes can cause a change in CG and a step towards the ball.

Extensor Action helps us to keep the FLW. Maintaining width in the stroke requires us to maintain our distance from the ball. Shortening the radius requires us to get closer to the ball.

[drewitgolf]

Nice post Ted, even for a Hitter. Lots to Incubate here, not only for OB, but for many of us.

BTW, special thanks to Ted for his presentation at Cuscowilla, both in class and especially on the practice tee. This forum is very fortunate to have him here .

[YodasLuke]

Nice post Ted, even for a Hitter. Lots to Incubate here, not only for OB, but for many of us.

BTW, special thanks to Ted for his presentation at Cuscowilla, both in class and especially on the practice tee. This forum is very fortunate to have him here .

Awwww shucks...

I didn't know all y'all from Massachusetts understood anything I said.

[O.B.Left]

DKerby and Luke

I checked out some down the line video of my swing during a bad golf trough.

Things I noticed:
-Despite my best efforts, I am not yet anything like Hogan. Crap.
-weight a little towards the toes at address. Knees a little too bent.
-my right leg does straighten but gets nowhere near totally straight.
-my right leg is still, motionless between top and end (Im a swinger, I think,
Dont hate me Luke, I do practice hitting chips and pitches and love it)
-my left wrist bows a little between top and end. A little. And my pants seat area moves very slightly forward, towards the ball, with the head bobbing up and back slightly. A slight straightening up of the spine angle between top and end. I have never ever noticed this before. I am in transition here.
-in start down my butt moves forward in a more noticeable manner.
-nearing release my head bobs up and back. This is amazing. Once again I have never noticed this before.

Luke, this fits your multiple axis compensation phenomena (MACP) theory! I am one of the sufferers, I never knew! Is there a cure? Give it to me straight Doc, I can take it. How long have I got? Im not a statistic, damn it, I have a right to know the cure for this, horrible phenomena.

I have wrestled with the darned bowed left wrist thing for years. Luke, Is it cause and effect? Does the weight on the toes at address encourage a bowing of the left wrist? A shortening of the radius in anticipation and in compensation for a moving fulcrum? Did you have to work on Mr. Long Time's left wrist or did it fix itself when his COG moved back at address?

On behalf of all of the afflicted, I salute you.
O.B.

[YodasLuke]

DKerby and Luke

I checked out some down the line video of my swing during a bad golf trough.

Things I noticed:
-Despite my best efforts, I am not yet anything like Hogan. Crap.
-weight a little towards the toes at address. Knees a little too bent.
-my right leg does straighten but gets nowhere near totally straight.
-my right leg is still, motionless between top and end (Im a swinger, I think,
Dont hate me Luke, I do practice hitting chips and pitches and love it)
-my left wrist bows a little between top and end. A little. And my pants seat area moves very slightly forward, towards the ball, with the head bobbing up and back slightly. A slight straightening up of the spine angle between top and end. I have never ever noticed this before. I am in transition here.
-in start down my butt moves forward in a more noticeable manner.
-nearing release my head bobs up and back. This is amazing. Once again I have never noticed this before.

Luke, this fits your multiple axis compensation phenomena (MACP) theory! I am one of the sufferers, I never knew! Is there a cure? Give it to me straight Doc, I can take it. How long have I got? Im not a statistic, damn it, I have a right to know the cure for this, horrible phenomena.

I have wrestled with the darned bowed left wrist thing for years. Luke, Is it cause and effect? Does the weight on the toes at address encourage a bowing of the left wrist? A shortening of the radius in anticipation and in compensation for a moving fulcrum? Did you have to work on Mr. Long Time's left wrist or did it fix itself when his COG moved back at address?

On behalf of all of the afflicted, I salute you.
O.B.

I love Homer's recommendation in 12-3-0, Section 2 - Impact Fix. When you prepare #3. Grip-Flying Wedges, #6. Right Forearm Position, #7. Clubshaft Alignments, and #8. Extensor Action, you're establishing the radius and verifying your distance from the ball.

Study 7-17, and understand that "conventional teaching" says to keep the weight on the balls of your feet. I think teachers take this great advice from other sports (where the ball is moving) and apply it to golf (where the ball is not moving). Weight on the balls of the feet or on the toes places the body in a position of imbalance in preparation for walking or running. I believe that the sport with a moving ball needs a machine that's able to move and the sport with a stationary ball needs a stationary and balanced machine.

Because they compensate for each other, you must fix both. Wiggle your toes at Address, and then work on Extensor Action. See how far you can get away from the ball at Impact Fix, not at Adjusted Address.

[O.B.Left]

I love Homer's recommendation in 12-3-0, Section 2 - Impact Fix. When you prepare #3. Grip-Flying Wedges, #6. Right Forearm Position, #7. Clubshaft Alignments, and #8. Extensor Action, you're establishing the radius and verifying your distance from the ball.

Study 7-17, and understand that "conventional teaching" says to keep the weight on the balls of your feet. I think teachers take this great advice from other sports (where the ball is moving) and apply it to golf (where the ball is not moving). Weight on the balls of the feet or on the toes places the body in a position of imbalance in preparation for walking or running. I believe that the sport with a moving ball needs a machine that's able to move and the sport with a stationary ball needs a stationary and balanced machine.

Because they compensate for each other, you must fix both. Wiggle your toes at Address, and then work on Extensor Action. See how far you can get away from the ball at Impact Fix, not at Adjusted Address.

Thanks Luke, will do.

Ill balance the machine and space it properly from fulcrum to ball when at fix, not adjusted. Sounds so logical and yet you'd never get this level of insight anywhere else.

Never thought about compensations and cause and effect relationships from a down the line, radius/fulcrum point of view. Very interesting.

One more question if I may. Given that the mass of the arms/club moves from in front of us to behind us and then in front of us again etc. In the ideal does the center of balance move around or stay put? If it doesnt move is there a compensating counter balancing of some sort?

O.B.

[drewitgolf]

my pants seat area moves very slightly forward, towards the ball, with the head bobbing up and back slightly. A slight straightening up of the spine angle between top and end. I have never ever noticed this before. I am in transition here.
-in start down my butt moves forward in a more noticeable manner.
-nearing release my head bobs up and back.

Ted,

What adjustments during his motion would you suggest to overcome this? I see this all too often on the lesson tee.

[okie]

Should the weight move from the heels towards the balls of the feet, or should the weight stay on the heels throughout? I seem to recall Chuck Evans suggesting the 1st option, but a casual perusal of this thread does not validate that belief, unless of course I missed something. I have noticed that baseball players tend to twist/spin on their heels...correlation? I guess that is another seems as if I heard just this weekend from a teaching pro at the range "Picture yourself getting ready to dive into a pool."