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[drewitgolf]

Nice post Ted, even for a Hitter. Lots to Incubate here, not only for OB, but for many of us.

BTW, special thanks to Ted for his presentation at Cuscowilla, both in class and especially on the practice tee. This forum is very fortunate to have him here .

[YodasLuke]

Nice post Ted, even for a Hitter. Lots to Incubate here, not only for OB, but for many of us.

BTW, special thanks to Ted for his presentation at Cuscowilla, both in class and especially on the practice tee. This forum is very fortunate to have him here .

Awwww shucks...

I didn't know all y'all from Massachusetts understood anything I said.

[O.B.Left]

DKerby and Luke

I checked out some down the line video of my swing during a bad golf trough.

Things I noticed:
-Despite my best efforts, I am not yet anything like Hogan. Crap.
-weight a little towards the toes at address. Knees a little too bent.
-my right leg does straighten but gets nowhere near totally straight.
-my right leg is still, motionless between top and end (Im a swinger, I think,
Dont hate me Luke, I do practice hitting chips and pitches and love it)
-my left wrist bows a little between top and end. A little. And my pants seat area moves very slightly forward, towards the ball, with the head bobbing up and back slightly. A slight straightening up of the spine angle between top and end. I have never ever noticed this before. I am in transition here.
-in start down my butt moves forward in a more noticeable manner.
-nearing release my head bobs up and back. This is amazing. Once again I have never noticed this before.

Luke, this fits your multiple axis compensation phenomena (MACP) theory! I am one of the sufferers, I never knew! Is there a cure? Give it to me straight Doc, I can take it. How long have I got? Im not a statistic, damn it, I have a right to know the cure for this, horrible phenomena.

I have wrestled with the darned bowed left wrist thing for years. Luke, Is it cause and effect? Does the weight on the toes at address encourage a bowing of the left wrist? A shortening of the radius in anticipation and in compensation for a moving fulcrum? Did you have to work on Mr. Long Time's left wrist or did it fix itself when his COG moved back at address?

On behalf of all of the afflicted, I salute you.
O.B.

[YodasLuke]

DKerby and Luke

I checked out some down the line video of my swing during a bad golf trough.

Things I noticed:
-Despite my best efforts, I am not yet anything like Hogan. Crap.
-weight a little towards the toes at address. Knees a little too bent.
-my right leg does straighten but gets nowhere near totally straight.
-my right leg is still, motionless between top and end (Im a swinger, I think,
Dont hate me Luke, I do practice hitting chips and pitches and love it)
-my left wrist bows a little between top and end. A little. And my pants seat area moves very slightly forward, towards the ball, with the head bobbing up and back slightly. A slight straightening up of the spine angle between top and end. I have never ever noticed this before. I am in transition here.
-in start down my butt moves forward in a more noticeable manner.
-nearing release my head bobs up and back. This is amazing. Once again I have never noticed this before.

Luke, this fits your multiple axis compensation phenomena (MACP) theory! I am one of the sufferers, I never knew! Is there a cure? Give it to me straight Doc, I can take it. How long have I got? Im not a statistic, damn it, I have a right to know the cure for this, horrible phenomena.

I have wrestled with the darned bowed left wrist thing for years. Luke, Is it cause and effect? Does the weight on the toes at address encourage a bowing of the left wrist? A shortening of the radius in anticipation and in compensation for a moving fulcrum? Did you have to work on Mr. Long Time's left wrist or did it fix itself when his COG moved back at address?

On behalf of all of the afflicted, I salute you.
O.B.

I love Homer's recommendation in 12-3-0, Section 2 - Impact Fix. When you prepare #3. Grip-Flying Wedges, #6. Right Forearm Position, #7. Clubshaft Alignments, and #8. Extensor Action, you're establishing the radius and verifying your distance from the ball.

Study 7-17, and understand that "conventional teaching" says to keep the weight on the balls of your feet. I think teachers take this great advice from other sports (where the ball is moving) and apply it to golf (where the ball is not moving). Weight on the balls of the feet or on the toes places the body in a position of imbalance in preparation for walking or running. I believe that the sport with a moving ball needs a machine that's able to move and the sport with a stationary ball needs a stationary and balanced machine.

Because they compensate for each other, you must fix both. Wiggle your toes at Address, and then work on Extensor Action. See how far you can get away from the ball at Impact Fix, not at Adjusted Address.

[O.B.Left]

I love Homer's recommendation in 12-3-0, Section 2 - Impact Fix. When you prepare #3. Grip-Flying Wedges, #6. Right Forearm Position, #7. Clubshaft Alignments, and #8. Extensor Action, you're establishing the radius and verifying your distance from the ball.

Study 7-17, and understand that "conventional teaching" says to keep the weight on the balls of your feet. I think teachers take this great advice from other sports (where the ball is moving) and apply it to golf (where the ball is not moving). Weight on the balls of the feet or on the toes places the body in a position of imbalance in preparation for walking or running. I believe that the sport with a moving ball needs a machine that's able to move and the sport with a stationary ball needs a stationary and balanced machine.

Because they compensate for each other, you must fix both. Wiggle your toes at Address, and then work on Extensor Action. See how far you can get away from the ball at Impact Fix, not at Adjusted Address.

Thanks Luke, will do.

Ill balance the machine and space it properly from fulcrum to ball when at fix, not adjusted. Sounds so logical and yet you'd never get this level of insight anywhere else.

Never thought about compensations and cause and effect relationships from a down the line, radius/fulcrum point of view. Very interesting.

One more question if I may. Given that the mass of the arms/club moves from in front of us to behind us and then in front of us again etc. In the ideal does the center of balance move around or stay put? If it doesnt move is there a compensating counter balancing of some sort?

O.B.

[YodasLuke]

Thanks Luke, will do.

Ill balance the machine and space it properly from fulcrum to ball when at fix, not adjusted. Sounds so logical and yet you'd never get this level of insight anywhere else.

Never thought about compensations and cause and effect relationships from a down the line, radius/fulcrum point of view. Very interesting.

One more question if I may. Given that the mass of the arms/club moves from in front of us to behind us and then in front of us again etc. In the ideal does the center of balance move around or stay put? If it doesnt move is there a compensating counter balancing of some sort?

O.B.

David Lee's primary thesis in Gravity Golf involved the "counter fall" or counter balancing of the arms and club. David's an extremely intelligent man. The theory has some good science, but there are some things that take big leaps of faith, in my opinion.

I've seen many representations of CG in great players including force plates, 3-D models, etc. I remember a Spanish company that had one of the first 3-D models. This may have been more than ten years ago. They had Jose Maria in their data and showed a ground-up view from the feet with a marker that showed his CG. It never got closer to the ball, so one would have to assume there was some form of a counter balance.

I've got my own theory about force plates. I think some of the data is misinterpreted. They suggest it's favorable to have a hook (a CG that gets closer to the ball in the downstroke). I'm not sold on that theory. I think they're reading the weight move from the right heel to the left ball, when the hips are still closed.

[O.B.Left]

Thanks Luke

Lots to incubate here. Im going to work on all of this. Ill start by losing 10 pounds of what I now call counter balancing. Only Mexican for a month should do it.

O.B.

[KAPLOWD]

Seem like Gravity Golf is good for swingers, because there is an initial thrust of the arms on the backswing to get the club to the end position which allows the counter balance to take place.

[O.B.Left]

I've got my own theory about force plates. I think some of the data is misinterpreted. They suggest it's favorable to have a hook (a CG that gets closer to the ball in the downstroke). I'm not sold on that theory. I think they're reading the weight move from the right heel to the left ball, when the hips are still closed.

Luke would a severe move of the CG towards the ball normally result in a hook?

So the weight should go right heel, left ball, left heel as the hips clear?

The more I think about this the more I wonder whether the spine angle (from a down the line view only, not to preclude axis tilt) should remain constant? No boob , belt convergence.

Thanks
O.B.

[drewitgolf]

my pants seat area moves very slightly forward, towards the ball, with the head bobbing up and back slightly. A slight straightening up of the spine angle between top and end. I have never ever noticed this before. I am in transition here.
-in start down my butt moves forward in a more noticeable manner.
-nearing release my head bobs up and back.

Ted,

What adjustments during his motion would you suggest to overcome this? I see this all too often on the lesson tee.