Horisontal Hinge = Low Point behind ball?

[Kumabjorn]

Well, obviously it doesn't equal LP behind ball just because I'm using a horizontal hinge.

But, first things first.

Received the Alignment Golf DVD (Guys!, It is a disc, not a tape ) and watching the short game drills.

Well, it is freezing cold here in Sweden, so all I could do was practice in my kitchen. Then today, the mercury went above 0*C (that is 32*F for all our US friends) so I went down to a golf club that has an excellent short game practice area, and began working on Hinge Action. Loved how I was able to control distance by changing thru Vertical, Angled and Horizontal Hinges.

However, when I used a Horizontal Hinge I would hit fat shots every once in a while (actually a little too often for comfort). Self-diagnosis pointed to the left shoulder staying behind as CF brings the arms down. Granted, that is entirely related to feel, (and in this cold weather, no one else is going to watch me) so I could be wrong.

But why else, would a horizontal hinge be more prone to getting the Low Point behind the ball?

[KevCarter]

My thought through study of S&T is that release of #4 has to start early on the downstroke in a swinging procedure or else you tend to tilt the upper body too much which causes you to make contact too far behind the ball. Helps me immensely in my indoor practice, can't wait for the snow to melt to take it outside...

Kevin

[Thom]

From my numerous indoor basic motions this winter I've experienced, that for me the horizontal hinge is easiest done with #2 pp being the boss of the thrust, pulling the club down and through. For angled hinging it's of cause #1 pp pushing the club.

Swinging and hitting.

Rhythm and aiming point.

Since the closing part with horizontal hinging takes a little longer than for angled, you might want to play around with aiming point to get impact with the small white ball first instead of big green one.

[okie]

Well, obviously it doesn't equal LP behind ball just because I'm using a horizontal hinge.

But, first things first.

Received the Alignment Golf DVD (Guys!, It is a disc, not a tape ) and watching the short game drills.

Well, it is freezing cold here in Sweden, so all I could do was practice in my kitchen. Then today, the mercury went above 0*C (that is 32*F for all our US friends) so I went down to a golf club that has an excellent short game practice area, and began working on Hinge Action. Loved how I was able to control distance by changing thru Vertical, Angled and Horizontal Hinges.

However, when I used a Horizontal Hinge I would hit fat shots every once in a while (actually a little too often for comfort). Self-diagnosis pointed to the left shoulder staying behind as CF brings the arms down. Granted, that is entirely related to feel, (and in this cold weather, no one else is going to watch me) so I could be wrong.

But why else, would a horizontal hinge be more prone to getting the Low Point behind the ball?

This may not apply to you at all, but I found this for myself. Horizontal hinging is a full roll feel (no quitting, or steering going on) At first I struggled to "let it roll" , a steery flinch of sorts...this leads to the left wrist breaking down and it becoming the center of the stroke...Fat-city

[Kumabjorn]

So maybe I just don't get enough roll in the arms because the chip shot is such a restricted swing? I could see that happening, it is just so hard to check when the only way to make sure that you're hitting the small ball is by actually trying to hit it.

[okie]

Always look. That is one of the benefits of basic motion. Check Yoda out going over hinge action in the video section. I also think that most people have an instinctive aversion to horizontal hinging chip shots...they come off the club face HOT.

Now start the Club swinging continuously over the top of the Ball as if you were going to hit a short Chip Shot. No more than three feet back and three feet through. Back and through and back and through and back and through. Continuous motion. Don't Cock your Wrists. Instead, just Turn and Roll your Left Forearm as you swing your Flat Left Wrist back and through and back and through. Turn and Roll and Turn and Roll and Turn and Roll and Turn and Roll. It is the Rolling of the Flat Left Wrist that gets the Club through Impact, not the Flattening of the Right Wrist. Please read that last sentence again. And one more time. Thank you. - Yoda

[Kumabjorn]

Not exactly chip shots, more like a 9 - 3 LW from the shed (wind was blowing cold today) into a practice green 30 yrds away. This time I was able to see (and consequently feel) the difference in Hinge Action on short game shots. This will clearly take som time before the computer understands it (old 486 I'm afraid) but there is clearly an amazing versatilty in shot making available once I get the knack of it.

As always, a fantastic congregation hanging out at LBG!

[okie]

Gotcha. This is the beautiful simplicity of basic motion. You can monitor what your hands are doing...without high speed photography! The hinge action of angular momentum performed on an inclined plane! Horizontal hinging chip shots, or acquired motion shots are good for eliminating the steering and or quitting impulse. Fat shots are often the result of an off plane motion and the resultant compensation...the left wrist will comply!