Address Posture

[KevCarter]

[quote=12 piece bucket;64564]

There ain't nothing wrong with setting your Right Forearm On-Plane at Address. Particularly useful with Hitting . . . but I think Mr. Kelley would be less dogmatic about it with Swinging. Now the question to answer is WHY do most cats on tour NOT set their forearm On-Plane? Probably because the don't know anything about the alignment . . .and the may think it looks "different". But that being said most of the great ball strikers DO have the Right Forearm on-plane with the shaft at Impact? Why? I would submit that its because even though they may or may not have a centered pivot . . . they get the Right Shoulder location deal . . . PLUS I think Physics plays a role . . . these guys are swinging the club at speeds that physics are going to produce some of the alignments that we like to see because . . . . well . .. that's the way it works. The forces are so great that they just line everything up when the motion is efficient. I'm mean look at Furyk . . . he's got some MAJOR whacky stuff going on but when he gets down there where the bidness is to be done within certain constraints he's not a whole lot different than some of the other more "conventional" looking swings. Again it comes down to the 3 Functions and controlling the face . . . Furyk is GREAT at that. So for the club to work like it should on plane through the ball . . . the plane is gonna produce some of the alignments because that's how laws of nature make it work.

Thanks Bucket, more GREAT stuff!

Kevin

[golfbulldog]

[quote=KevCarter;64565]

Thanks Bucket, more GREAT stuff!

Kevin

Agreed - I like the bit about it being more important in Hitters... I think that the book at times forces the samenesses between hit and swing and doesn't go far enough to describe some of the differences...where things are less absolute in practice...there was talk of 2 books - no?? one for hit and one for swing??

I think that physics has to play a big role in the way that pros have learnt/require right forearm on plane - for anyone who has evolved through a competitive sport and tries to apply force with the right arm...they are gonna learn that the forearm works better on plane...why they haven't learnt about impact fix...not sure...unless there may be a power benefit in the massive dip/compression that their pivots do...which in the context of guys who practise daily...pays off more than ease of precision...who knows...

[KevCarter]

[quote=golfbulldog;64580]

Agreed - I like the bit about it being more important in Hitters... I think that the book at times forces the samenesses between hit and swing and doesn't go far enough to describe some of the differences...where things are less absolute in practice...there was talk of 2 books - no?? one for hit and one for swing??

I think that physics has to play a big role in the way that pros have learnt/require right forearm on plane - for anyone who has evolved through a competitive sport and tries to apply force with the right arm...they are gonna learn that the forearm works better on plane...why they haven't learnt about impact fix...not sure...unless there may be a power benefit in the massive dip/compression that their pivots do...which in the context of guys who practise daily...pays off more than ease of precision...who knows...

Hey Bulldog,

I've been a club pro for 30 years, and until taking up with TGM in the last couple of years, I didn't even know we were ALLOWED to USE the right arm in the golf swing, let alone set the right forearm on plane!

Kevin

[O.B.Left]

Somehow I missed all of these great posts.

What if it isnt just a Sameness deal? Im thinking Swingers benefit from the on plane right forearm too. Luke posted something on this today. If it was just dead weight Swingers could just use one arm, their left.

Bucket, I like your lever extension stuff but does it have to dispense with the Machine Concepts? Is there an advantage to the Bob?

Bulldog, I like your notes about the implications to the Pivot Center for those who dont preview impact in Fix.

Daryl, I'd suggest there is a reason Eldrick bobs and it has to do with how far he has to drop his right shoulder to get his Right Forearm on plane with a bent right elbow at Impact. Axis tilt alone isnt going to do it given where he starts. Im seeing on plane right forearms in baseball, tennis, hockey, its just a structural fact or law. I bet none of those guys know anything about it, but they do it.

Kev, ask her if you know her well enough.

[Daryl]

Somehow I missed all of these great posts.

What if it isnt just a Sameness deal? Im thinking Swingers benefit from the on plane right forearm too. Luke posted something on this today. If it was just dead weight Swingers could just use one arm, their left.

Of course Swingers benefit from an On-plane right forearm. It's a must unless you play 4 hours a day and practice the rest of them.

Swingers need both arms too. Accumulators. Left Hand, Right Hand, Left Arm, Right Arm. Pressure Points, Power Package, etc.

I don't question that Tiger lowers his head. He drops his entire body. But he isn't human. When a bad round means that you finished in the Top 10 in the World, I back off wondering what he does wrong and try to focus on what he does right.

[12 piece bucket]

That Tiger move is a. power deal b. he can't see the freakin' ball the way that doofus has him setting up with his face all up.

[Daryl]

That Tiger move is a. power deal b. he can't see the freakin' ball the way that doofus has him setting up with his face all up.

Hey, are you following me around?

I don't think that he listens to his new teacher. The guy coudn't fix Charles Barkley. How hard could it be? I had it figured out in five minutes. No Wedges, No on-plane forearm, etc. No Pivot, etc, and after how many weeks he still sucks. The Blind leading the Blind.

Did you see those drills with a thousand balls lined up on tees. How STUPID is that. I don't have any other word for it. Sorry.

Ya know whats even more scary? Tiger can't help him either. What does that tell ya.

[O.B.Left]

Hey, are you following me around?

I don't think that he listens to his new teacher. The guy coudn't fix Charles Barkley. How hard could it be? I had it figured out in five minutes. No Wedges, No on-plane forearm, etc. No Pivot, etc, and after how many weeks he still sucks. The Blind leading the Blind.

Did you see those drills with a thousand balls lined up on tees. How STUPID is that. I don't have any other word for it. Sorry.

Ya know whats even more scary? Tiger can't help him either. What does that tell ya.

Add no steady center to his radius too.

If only he'd walked and whacked those lined up balls Wild Bill Melhourne style. You cant bob too much when doing that drill. I love the dang thing.

[Daryl]

Add no steady center to his radius too.

If only he'd walked and whacked those lined up balls Wild Bill Melhourne style. You cant bob too much when doing that drill. I love the dang thing.

You're right O.B. That would communicate the idea to him and it would force him to make some corrections. But not a thousand of them. Just enough to teach him the motion and feel.

[O.B.Left]

Agreed. Hank worked him too hard. Maybe tried to break him of his bad habits by exhausting him. Poor guy, its more than a golf problem maybe.