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Old 07-25-2009, 08:09 AM
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The problem with understanding golf for me is my struggle to take 2 dimensional drawings, graphs and photos and translate them to a 3 dimensional motion. Although I realized you swing on an inclined plane my first years in golf I swung up and down ie performing the face on view. In recent years with more concentration on rotation and throw out I have coveted the few views from the top I can find. And then to complicate matters I have tried to understand the on plane views from the rear with the arguments about camera location. Might we next have 3 D views of the swing using the 3 D glasses in common use in recent animated movies. In my case my dyslexic brain has to translate all of these forum posts into left handed english. Oh for a left handed forum, a left handed pro shop, a left handed course and a left handed urinal. And by the way our member Brandon Inge(Detroit Tiger 3B recent no home runs in the All Star Home Run Derby) hits it 380 yards using a baseball swing. So if we want increased speed and distance perhaps we should be trying to emulate the great hitters of baseball instead of Hogan.
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Old 07-25-2009, 12:53 PM
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So if we want increased speed and distance perhaps we should be trying to emulate the great hitters of baseball instead of Hogan.
Agreed, then you will start to look like Hogan. At the very least you won't being hitting "at the ball".
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Old 07-25-2009, 02:12 PM
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Agreed, then you will start to look like Hogan. At the very least you won't being hitting "at the ball".

Interesting point. Sort of Melhourne ish maybe.

Im thinking the Red Sox hitters should start working with Hank Haney as well. Then the Blue Jays would be ok. Parallel planes and a right wrist throw should just about do it.

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Old 07-25-2009, 02:23 PM
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I dont understand the implications of the Golden Spiral (or TGM for that matter) but could the Hand Path it portrays be merely symptomatic of a late release? Automatic snap release say as opposed to Sweep?

I do hold divine proportion in high regard so please dont take this the wrong way, NM. Sorry for the chicken and egg question.
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Old 07-26-2009, 09:38 AM
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Interesting point. Sort of Melhourne ish maybe.

Im thinking the Red Sox hitters should start working with Hank Haney as well. Then the Blue Jays would be ok. Parallel planes and a right wrist throw should just about do it.
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Your thoughts must run in the right direction. Ever wonder why baseball players have such good alignments at Impact with the bat and baseball, yet many baseball players have poor Impact Alignments when you give them a golf club and put a golf ball in front of them. Like Hogan said about his secret, it is up here (pointing to his head).
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:41 AM
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And the Best Of All: an On-Plane Right Forearm Have you ever seen a better looking pair of Flying Wedges? That Right Forearm is Directly Opposed to the Primary Lever.
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Old 07-26-2009, 12:14 PM
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Double D you are good. Birds eye vs straight on, the laws of motion not being unique to golf but universal.

But im still curious about Drewits comment about intent. Golfs false logic problem or whatever. Dont hit up? Steering a straight path? Here in lies the solution to golfs cause and effect puzzle.

All of this no doubt effects hand path to my mind. (Back on topic) Intent influencing hand path. The hands direct but only as the brains outpost.

Somewhat related to hand path is the notion that the right palm will not ride the inclined plane in release if not for the position of the right elbow. Pitch elbow say. Im also wondering if the Golden Spiral would be wider and less Golden if the accumulators released earlier.

So hand path isnt just a hand thing in and of itself. The hands, assuming they need a spiral path, need to command other components to comply. Hand path being somewhat resultant. Assuming a straight left arm if you want the spiral to tighten near impact, the left shoulder must move up. Homer said that all left shoulder movements should really be the result of right shoulder movement..............which means the right shoulder needs to drive down plane in release. You know where Im going. Put me in the all roads lead back to Homer camp if you must.

But the Golden Spiral I find fascinating having seen it at work for about twenty years now. There is something to it.

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Old 07-26-2009, 01:55 PM
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All of this no doubt effects hand path to my mind. (Back on topic) Intent influencing hand path. The hands direct but only as the brains outpost.

Somewhat related to hand path is the notion that the right palm will not ride the inclined plane in release if not for the position of the right elbow. Pitch elbow say. Im also wondering if the Golden Spiral would be wider and less Golden if the accumulators released earlier.

So hand path isnt just a hand thing in and of itself. The hands, assuming they need a spiral path, need to command other components to comply. Hand path being somewhat resultant. Assuming a straight left arm if you want the spiral to tighten near impact, the left shoulder must move up. Homer said that all left shoulder movements should really be the result of right shoulder movement..............which means the right shoulder needs to drive down plane in release. You know where Im going. Put me in the all roads lead back to Homer camp if you must.

But the Golden Spiral I find fascinating having seen it at work for about twenty years now. There is something to it.
Consider Jason Z (Fake). 340 yard Drive. Hand Path. What makes the Hands Travel Down that Path? Zone 1 and Zone 2.

JZ hits the Ball far. Is the Hands path causing a problem with his distance. NO WAY.

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Fake Jason Z.

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Old 07-27-2009, 10:50 PM
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Double D you are good. Birds eye vs straight on, the laws of motion not being unique to golf but universal.

But im still curious about Drewits comment about intent. Golfs false logic problem or whatever. Dont hit up? Steering a straight path? Here in lies the solution to golfs cause and effect puzzle.

All of this no doubt effects hand path to my mind. (Back on topic) Intent influencing hand path. The hands direct but only as the brains outpost.
Very good O.B. Not to thread jack here...Lets take this a step further. Questions: why is that better ball strikers after Impact have both a Follow Through and a Finish, but poor ball strikers after Impact only Finish? When Ted Fort and I deals with problems of Over-Aceleration by telling the student that he or she can only increase their clubhead speed after Impact, why does the student have such a difficult time doing that? Why can't students change their Hand Path even when they want to? The road to hell is paved with good intentions or wrong intentions???
Although it all ties together, maybe I will take this to a new thread in the "Grey Matter" section.
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:46 AM
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Your thoughts must run in the right direction. Ever wonder why baseball players have such good alignments at Impact with the bat and baseball, yet many baseball players have poor Impact Alignments when you give them a golf club and put a golf ball in front of them. Like Hogan said about his secret, it is up here (pointing to his head).


Thanks Drew. Though maybe a little off topic please expand. Aiming Point? Or would it influence hand path and put us back on topic?
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