Basic Motion

[bray]

Daryl,

We may be beating Daffy Duck to Deaf or Death, but where in the book does it say Hinge Action requires #3?

10-10-0 is titled Hinge Actions (Hinging)
In all the pictures associated with Hinging/Hinge Actions
the Hinge is mounted on the left shoulder, not the left wrist.

These are the three motions we are talking about
Horizontal, Angled, Vertical
regardless of maximum #3 or zero #3.

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B-Ray

[Daryl]

We may be beating Daffy Duck to Deaf or Death, but where in the book does it say Hinge Action requires #3?

There's not much more I can add to be more clear. I bolded parts.

2-G. The Physics of Hinging is, that, Hitting or Swinging, “Roll” is actually imparted by the turning torso and/or the orbiting Arms per 2-K#4 and 2-K#5 as described in 10-18. Practice these motions first with open Hands cause of the Flat Left Wrist, must always travel at the same RPM as the Arms and reproduce the Hinging inherent in the selected Lag Loading procedure (10-19) per 4-D, 9-2 and 9-3, regardless of Clubhead Extension velocity. See 2-P and 7-18.

...........The KEY to this Rhythm is the #3 Accumulator (6-B-3-0). As part of the above drill, hold the 45 degree Arm position while rotating the Hands and the #3 Accumulator through the three Hinging positions, over and over until you see that each position changes the LOCATION of the Clubhead. The Point to note here is that with each Hinge Action the #3 Accumulator has a different “In Line” motion – Dual Horizontal Hinging having the longest travel and Dual Vertical the shortest. This agrees with the “Roll Characteristics” discussed in 7-10 and must be so executed to produce proper Rhythm. Doing the above drill with Zero Accumulator #3 (6-B-3-B) will show that then, all Lag Loading and Hinge Action have Angled Hinging Travel AND Rhythm. So – intentional use of Zero Accumulator #3 can be useful while unintentional use can be hazardous.

[BerntR]

Great thread,

Yoda descibed my stroke with the hands too low as a "sea of compensation" Feels really weird with the on-plane right forearm at fix. But also extremely solid through the ball. So now I am practicing basic motion in the garden. A little turf, a club and three balls is all that's needed.

Question:

What are the quality criteria as far as ball striking goes in basic motion?

I try to approach this as I would approach the short game. Solid ball contact, trajectory & distance control. With proper stroke execution. Just want to know if I have the right focus here. Maybe I should just pay attention to alignments an disregard the result?

[YodasLuke]

Question:

What are the quality criteria as far as ball striking goes in basic motion?

I try to approach this as I would approach the short game. Solid ball contact, trajectory & distance control. With proper stroke execution. Just want to know if I have the right focus here. Maybe I should just pay attention to alignments an disregard the result?

Start with 3-F-5.

I like the "maybe I should" part...forget the ball.

Is my Left Wrist Flat?
Am I pointing at the Plane Line?
Did I arrive at the Both Arms Straight Position?

[BerntR]

Thanks Ted,

Actually, the "sea of compensation" comment made a big difference to my motivation. A few years ago when I took lessons (sometimes frequently) I became used to hear that I was doing fine. It worked for quick fixes but not for building a proper stroke. And certainly not for self correction while playing. I guess the pros lowered their expectations because I'm a bit like Homer was. I need explicit & precise knowledge.

The thing I am sensing now while working on getting the right forearm on plane is that the lower the forearm is at fix compared to the inclined plane, the longer the right elbow will be below the inclined plane in the down stroke - and the longer I can drive effectively with my right hand. Does that make sense?

There is a substantial risk that I will keep drifting towards the old low hands' fix. But there is also a risk that I overdo the changes if I put my mind into not drifting back.

For a perfect impact fix: What should the (mirror) image of the right forearm on plane look like down the line? Should the clubshaft be parallell to the center of the forearm or should it point at the inside of the elbow joint or what?

I hope I'm not the only one who wants to know this.

[KevCarter]

Bernt,

I hope you don't mind my continued interruption, but I feel passionate about this. In my 40+ years of playing golf, NOTHING has had such a profound impact on my ball striking and understanding of alignments than the level left wrist and right forearm on plane has. NOTHING.

Hard work? You bet
Hard habits to break? You bet
Worth the time and energy? Every minute

I found this picture in Yoda's archives. Don't over-think this, just try to mirror this "feel" at first.

Kevin

[YodasLuke]

The thing I am sensing now while working on getting the right forearm on plane is that the lower the forearm is at fix compared to the inclined plane, the longer the right elbow will be below the inclined plane in the down stroke - and the longer I can drive effectively with my right hand. Does that make sense?

When the Right Forearm is placed ON Plane at Fix, it gives you a new Right Shoulder Location. If the Right Shoulder starts too high, as in 99.999999999 percent of golfers, you run out of Right Arm before you get to the ball. Most start with a straight Right Arm at Address and return to Impact with a straight Right Arm. It's really powerful.

There is a substantial risk that I will keep drifting towards the old low hands' fix. But there is also a risk that I overdo the changes if I put my mind into not drifting back.

For a perfect impact fix: What should the (mirror) image of the right forearm on plane look like down the line? Should the clubshaft be parallel to the center of the forearm or should it point at the inside of the elbow joint or what?

I hope I'm not the only one who wants to know this.

Hold the Right Forearm and Clubshaft in-line with a Bent Right Wrist on a horizontal Plane. Look at that relationship in the mirror, and then lower the Right Arm and club to the ball.

The best-case scenario is a video camera, a computer with software, and a monitor near the ball. This would eliminate the mirror parallax. In the mirror, the eyes are off Plane, making it difficult to draw conclusions.

[innercityteacher]

Let me see if I have the essential concept. If I hold the club with a right palm grip ala Moe Norman or use a 10 finger baseball grip, wouldn't I be on the elbow plane back and through?
I'm sorry if this is a stupendously dumb question. I start with my TGM instructor in April and have been trying to decipher the book on my own for over a year.

When the Right Forearm is placed ON Plane at Fix, it gives you a new Right Shoulder Location. If the Right Shoulder starts too high, as in 99.999999999 percent of golfers, you run out of Right Arm before you get to the ball. Most start with a straight Right Arm at Address and return to Impact with a straight Right Arm. It's really powerful.



Hold the Right Forearm and Clubshaft in-line with a Bent Right Wrist on a horizontal Plane. Look at that relationship in the mirror, and then lower the Right Arm and club to the ball.

The best-case scenario is a video camera, a computer with software, and a monitor near the ball. This would eliminate the mirror parallax. In the mirror, the eyes are off Plane, making it difficult to draw conclusions.

[Yoda]

For a perfect impact fix: What should the (mirror) image of the right forearm on plane look like down the line? Should the clubshaft be parallell to the center of the forearm or should it point at the inside of the elbow joint or what?

Here is BG's Address Position (not Fix), mirrored for lefties.

[bray]

There's not much more I can add to be more clear. I bolded parts.

Daryl,

Reading it as Homer wrote "your bolding" in post 32 it just further proves my point.

With zero #3 in basic motion one can employ any of the three hinge actions the clubhead will always finish in the same spot at follow through (both arms straight approx. two feet through) because of zero #3, but the face can be laying back (vertical hinge), closed (horizontal hinge), or closed and laying back (angled hinge). These follow throughs reflect the clubfaces motion through impact and seperation. As edz pointed out the essence of Chapter 2.

Now Zero #3 can make the plane steeper which could make a Vertical Hinge easier to achieve than a Horizontal, but still all three can be achieved.

I know this because my machine can produce these shots, and I've taught it and seen it taught by many of the finest Golfing Machine Teachers in the Land!

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B-Ray