All golfers use CF. Some use it to Uncock the Left Wrist and Unbend the Right Elbow and Some use Right Arm Thrust to Straighten the Right Elbow and Uncock the Left Wrist.
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With Drive Loading (10-19-A) the outward pull of Centrifugal Force tends to conceal but cannot cancel the considerable contribution of a pre-stressed (Bent) Clubshaft, though it is Bent even more at Separation.
All golfers use CF. Some use it to Uncock the Left Wrist and Unbend the Right Elbow and Some use Right Arm Thrust to Straighten the Right Elbow and Uncock the Left Wrist.
Cool with me! I don't wanna fight with you! We been in enough fights with other foolz in the past 2 months right!
So let's discuss Fowler and Rose vs. Hogan . . . .
How would you catalog? Or is it possible? Are Fowler and Rose executing a plane line shift? Or is that what swinging "looks like" . . . or is it Hitting? Or is it off plane motion?
They are certainly doing something different than Hogan right?
Cool with me! I don't wanna fight with you! We been in enough fights with other foolz in the past 2 months right!
So let's discuss Fowler and Rose vs. Hogan . . . .
How would you catalog? Or is it possible? Are Fowler and Rose executing a plane line shift? Or is that what swinging "looks like" . . . or is it Hitting? Or is it off plane motion?
They are certainly doing something different than Hogan right?
Lets see if we can see and understand the Plane Shift in the same way. The Plane Shift does not need to occur at Release. I think that for many Golfers the Plane Shift does occur at Release but both Hogan and Fowler Plane Shift at Startdown and their Sequenced Releases occur on the Elbow Plane.
Your observation of the Post Impact Clubshaft Angle at Follow-through is correct. I don't think that they're on the same Plane that they were at Impact. But I don't equate that with Hitting or Swinging. I would equate that with "Pivot Controlled Hands". It's allowing the Pivot to control the Alignments. I'm sure that they could teach their Pivot to move their Hands like Hogan moved His Hands but I think that the jury is still out on Hogan whether he used Pivot Controlled Hands vs Hands Controlled Pivot.
Can we separately discuss Plane Shifts because I think that either Acceleration Procedure, Hitting or Swinging can use any shift and any number of Shifts and almost anywhere in the Swing except Release through Follow-Through.
Your observation of the Post Impact Clubshaft Angle at Follow-through is correct. I don't think that they're on the same Plane that they were at Impact. But I don't equate that with Hitting or Swinging. I would equate that with "Pivot Controlled Hands". It's allowing the Pivot to control the Alignments. I'm sure that they could teach their Pivot to move their Hands like Hogan moved His Hands but I think that the jury is still out on Hogan whether he used Pivot Controlled Hands vs Hands Controlled Pivot.
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Can't the pivot assist with power by driving the lever, but still be CONTROLLED by the hands?
Kevin
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Can't the pivot assist with power by driving the lever, but still be CONTROLLED by the hands?
Kevin
Yes......
The Pivot generates the Raw underlying Power either like a Flywheel or, in addition, acts like a Backstop for Right Arm Thrust.
What tells the Pivot where to go?? The Hands should. The Pivot should go where the Hands need it to go and not subjugate the Hands into trying to accommodate the Pivot. The Pivot should Accommodate the Hands. But you can be very successful either way........
The Pivot generates the Raw underlying Power either like a Flywheel or, in addition, acts like a Backstop for Right Arm Thrust.
What tells the Pivot where to go?? The Hands should. The Pivot should go where the Hands need it to go and not subjugate the Hands into trying to accommodate the Pivot. The Pivot should Accommodate the Hands. But you can be very successful either way........
I want to be hands controlled, I don't want to screw that up, and I don't think this will...
Thanks Daryl!
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
Lets see if we can see and understand the Plane Shift in the same way. The Plane Shift does not need to occur at Release. I think that for many Golfers the Plane Shift does occur at Release but both Hogan and Fowler Plane Shift at Startdown and their Sequenced Releases occur on the Elbow Plane.
Your observation of the Post Impact Clubshaft Angle at Follow-through is correct. I don't think that they're on the same Plane that they were at Impact. But I don't equate that with Hitting or Swinging. I would equate that with "Pivot Controlled Hands". It's allowing the Pivot to control the Alignments. I'm sure that they could teach their Pivot to move their Hands like Hogan moved His Hands but I think that the jury is still out on Hogan whether he used Pivot Controlled Hands vs Hands Controlled Pivot.
Can we separately discuss Plane Shifts because I think that either Acceleration Procedure, Hitting or Swinging can use any shift and any number of Shifts and almost anywhere in the Swing except Release through Follow-Through.
Ok . . . I certainly agree that from impact to delivery Hogan and Fowler execute a plane shift (most do) . . . BUT . . . I think Hogan is pretty much executing ON PLANE as much as anybody ever has from delivery through the ball. Hogan's hands are riding the plane in my opinion . . . Fowler's hands are above or the plane line has shifted right. People like to say Fowler swings like Hogan . . . not even close in my opinion. With Fowler it looks like CF is in control . . .everything trying to get "in line". Could be wrong . . .
Ok . . . I certainly agree that from impact to delivery Hogan and Fowler execute a plane shift (most do) . . . BUT . . . I think Hogan is pretty much executing ON PLANE as much as anybody ever has from delivery through the ball. Hogan's hands are riding the plane in my opinion . . . Fowler's hands are above or the plane line has shifted right. People like to say Fowler swings like Hogan . . . not even close in my opinion. With Fowler it looks like CF is in control . . .everything trying to get "in line". Could be wrong . . .
Would you pleas look at your first sentence. You said "Impact to delivery"?
I agree that Fowler and Hogan look very different post Impact. But I don't think that it involves CF. I think that Fowler lets his pivot control the alignments and he Fully Flattens his Right Wrist and he doesn't yet see the need to Swing On-Plane from Impact to Both arms straight.
Hogans Hands ARE riding the Plane. Question?? is that his Pivot steering his Hands? Would Hogan do that? I don't think so because doing that on every shot, partial to full and every club wouldn't lend to his consistency. I think that Hogans intention was to swing On-Plane and he taught his Pivot to accommodate that.
Would you pleas look at your first sentence. You said "Impact to delivery"?
I agree that Fowler and Hogan look very different post Impact. But I don't think that it involves CF. I think that Fowler lets his pivot control the alignments and he Fully Flattens his Right Wrist and he doesn't yet see the need to Swing On-Plane from Impact to Both arms straight.
Hogans Hands ARE riding the Plane. Question?? is that his Pivot steering his Hands? Would Hogan do that? I don't think so because doing that on every shot, partial to full and every club wouldn't lend to his consistency. I think that Hogans intention was to swing On-Plane and he taught his Pivot to accommodate that.
Furyk is closer to Hogan than Fowler thru the ball . . . Fowler is freakish . . . I'm not sure I see any alignments? Free ride
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