It is true that Extensor Action can be exaggerated into an immobilizing fault. However, that does not obviate its purpose; namely, to provide a "structural rigidity" that is a strong deterrent to collapse under the stresses created by a powerful golf stroke, especially at the Top and through Impact.
To achieve maximum Zone 2 Power, the Arms (and with them the Club) must swing freely from the Shoulders (and not be bound to and drug around by them). Also, the Wrists must remain flexible to perform their Release functions (Uncock and Roll). However, that does not mean that the Power Package Structure (which these Components and their Loading collectively comprise) should be "loose" or, worse yet, "flimsy". Or that the Hands should be robbed of the firm Grip necessary to control Clubface alignments.
Just as there are good and bad cholesterols, so are there good and bad tensions in the Golf Stroke. Differentiating the two distills the champion.
Oh my this strikes right to the heart of what I have learned from Lynn and Ted. I nominate this for immediate inclusion in the best of Lynn Blake.
Wow. I had my tensions backwards (don't wanna get into it) I could shoot in the sixties like that...... But now I am forever changed. I no longer play unless it's warmer than 70 degrees. But seriously now folks. ........ For those who have ears ....... Let them listen
Oh my this strikes right to the heart of what I have learned from Lynn and Ted. I nominate this for immediate inclusion in the best of Lynn Blake.
Wow. I had my tensions backwards (don't wanna get into it) I could shoot in the sixties like that...... But now I am forever changed. I no longer play unless it's warmer than 70 degrees. But seriously now folks. ........ For those who have ears ....... Let them listen
It is on page 123. When I run out of things to copy, I'll start asking short questions!
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Oh my this strikes right to the heart of what I have learned from Lynn and Ted. I nominate this for immediate inclusion in the best of Lynn Blake.
Wow. I had my tensions backwards (don't wanna get into it) I could shoot in the sixties like that...... But now I am forever changed. I no longer play unless it's warmer than 70 degrees. But seriously now folks. ........ For those who have ears ....... Let them listen
The Power package has the same amount of EA for every club. Now, for a friendly question that I can imagine not being answered here or in print, anywhere.
My impression is that the amount of EA employed by Mr. Doyle, and McHatton etc., is less in theory than that employed by Mr. Blake. I mean to say that there is a theoretical, bio-mechanical reason why the two groups see EA in a different amount, if they do indeed see the amount of EA differently.
I'm also willing to suggest that both (or all 27) views of EA can prove their case and would simply say that the amount of EA is an individual's decision.
And I'm willing to be ignored on this completely.
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Im listening as always....City......great question in regard to Mr Doyle and McHatton. Does pure CF, True Swinging forfeit EA? I'd say no , but I dont know what those TGM greats teach. I admire them both profoundly whatever the answer.
The McHatton Doyle west coast part of the TGM tree certainly believes in extensor action. Yoda's post #21 stating that the arms "must swing freely from the shoulders" would please Greg a lot. Greg asks his students to let the arms hang freely at address. Then he grabs your hands and lifts them up. If your head and thorax come up he points out that your arms were not hanging freely. If you argue he will ask "weren't you looking at the ground at address, then where are you looking now"?. With relaxed arms the instructor lifting them should not cause you to come up. Sometimes students don't "get it". As much as Lynn stresses MacDonald's exercises their importance it took me awhile to "get it". It is very difficult to express golf instruction in english words that correctly transmit meaning. That is why we have all of these discussion day after day, year after year with each of us looking for an "a ha" moment. Then we hope to take these words, carry them to the range and have another "a ha" moment. Then more importantly find that same feeling out on the course. Perhaps relaxed arm,s ie power package feels "heavy", "hanging".
I think it is easier for me to isolate the tricep, apply EA to stretch the left arm, and maintain the arms "swinging freely" with the right hand more on top of the shaft. I would also agree that in this position, once isolated, the tricep muscle motion feels similar to a pure tricep extension excercise which makes sense since the hands are normally positioned on top of the load and pushing down at an angle to accomplish this excercise. However, as the r/h rotates to the stronger position on the side of the shaft and I try to stretch the left arm, the tricep does not feel as if it is isolated any longer (while excercising we normally keep our "elbows in" in order to isolate the tricep muscle). In fact, as I rotate to a stronger r/h position I can't help but engage the chest and shoulders (makes sense to me as applying force from BOTH the top and side to PP#1 would seem to closely resemble a "decline" bench press-which is not intended to isolate the tricep). Does this really matter? Probably for some golfers it does and others it does not since there might still be room for the arms to swing freely even with the three slightly contracted muscle groups. If McHatton is hitting, he must eventually dial in some EA. I'd be interested to know if he has ever associated any particular grip style with achieving his arms hanging freely.
The McHatton Doyle west coast part of the TGM tree certainly believes in extensor action. Yoda's post #21 stating that the arms "must swing freely from the shoulders" would please Greg a lot. Greg asks his students to let the arms hang freely at address. Then he grabs your hands and lifts them up. If your head and thorax come up he points out that your arms were not hanging freely. If you argue he will ask "weren't you looking at the ground at address, then where are you looking now"?. With relaxed arms the instructor lifting them should not cause you to come up. Sometimes students don't "get it". As much as Lynn stresses MacDonald's exercises their importance it took me awhile to "get it". It is very difficult to express golf instruction in english words that correctly transmit meaning. That is why we have all of these discussion day after day, year after year with each of us looking for an "a ha" moment. Then we hope to take these words, carry them to the range and have another "a ha" moment. Then more importantly find that same feeling out on the course. Perhaps relaxed arm,s ie power package feels "heavy", "hanging".
What a great post . Thanks David.
I love your bit about the freedom of movement at the arm shoulder connection. That is a must in my book as without it the Pivot and the Arms would tend to travel in the same direction! Most likely in the direction of the Shoulders.
See Force Vectors 2-N-1 if any of you guys are confused by all of this. The Arms and Shoulders do not travel in the same direction in Startup!
How does Mr McHatton employ Extensor Action? Does he turn it on or dial it up after the Lagging Takeaway?
I love your bit about the freedom of movement at the arm shoulder connection. That is a must in my book as without it the Pivot and the Arms would tend to travel in the same direction! Most likely in the direction of the Shoulders.
See Force Vectors 2-N-1 if any of you guys are confused by all of this. The Arms and Shoulders do not travel in the same direction in Startup!
How does Mr McHatton employ Extensor Action? Does he turn it on or dial it up after the Lagging Takeaway?
Regards
I went to the indoor range, tonight, and tried all sorts of components. BTW all I know of Mr. McHatton is what I've seen on You Tube and read here.
I tried very loose wrists and arms and kept dragging the club into my foot!
I tried Standard Address with a Lagging club while I rotated my right hip and then I preserved the Lag and mashed the ball -115 yard PW -55 mph swing speed according to the radar.
I tried a Standard Address with stiff Flying Wedges with loose wrists trying to feel Mr. Hogan's "banded" arms without banding the arms. Pivot-Pivot when I felt my wrists really stretch. 121 yards PW -58 mph.
I don't know what Daryl, OB and Yoda know, so I'm sure I'm leaking power everywhere but the shots were straight on the shot meter or sometimes classified as a "Pull-Draw."
I played with my Flip camera-man I need to loose weight! I also need a tripod!
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I tried a Standard Address with stiff Flying Wedges with loose wrists trying to feel Mr. Hogan's "banded" arms without banding the arms. Pivot-Pivot when I felt my wrists really stretch.
Omigosh, City. This is just way too much!
You now are officially in The Game. There is no escaping!
The fact that nobody outside this thread can understand what in the Hell you are talking about -- and the fact that WE all do (and love you for it!) -- is a measure of your progress.
Im listening as always....City......great question in regard to Mr Doyle and McHatton. Does pure CF, True Swinging forfeit EA? I'd say no , but I dont know what those TGM greats teach. I admire them both profoundly whatever the answer.
Again , great question. For a flyers fan.
Whoa, Whoa, Whoa.
CF has nothing to do with EA.
Shoulder Turn Takeaway does not mix with EA.
EA functions to create and Maintain the Flying Wedge Alignments from Start-up to Full Extension (Including Magic of the Right Forearm).
When I run out of things to copy, I'll start asking short questions! 
-- is a measure of your progress. 
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