Good stuff in this thread....a few things to watch/monitor in this regard....
1. How is the clubface aligned in your hand when you grip it? If it is closed/shutty when you grip it that could cause the pull issue.....pay attention to how much "shaft lean" you program into your grip...if you program in a considerable amount of lean in your grip i.e. take the grip with the shaft leaning waaaaay more than vertical then if you don't deliver that amount of shaft lean to the ball...pull city.
2. Pay attention to your hand path....remember it is the CLUBHEAD that is thrown out to the ball....not your hands...if your hands are getting "out and away" from you and you focus on "releasing #3"...you could get pulls and wipes....not saying that is the issue but if it is try this drill...you want the left arm staying "in" and the hands "in on plane" as the clubhead travels out on plane to the ball. So take your grip left hand only. Place your right hand on your left elbow and pin it to your body where it would be at address. Now just take the club up like a chipping type motion with your left hand...from there use your left hand to THROW the club head out into the ground..out to the plane line....no pivot just isolate the #2 and #3 accumulators...so you are basically just going to throw/dump the club into the ground well back of where the ball would be...you would be hitting a huge fat shot...have the sweetspot looking at the ground earlier...not out to the right...throw the sweetspot into the ground well behind the ball with your left arm pinned.....you'll isolate how #3 has to work with your hands in and not out away from you....
from there the question becomes...how do I get to the ball...that's where your pivot comes in...your right shoulder moving forward and out to the plane line will bring all that #3 and #2 motion forward....but the drill is just to isolate how the work as your left arm/hands to race out and away from you.
Hello 12pbucket,
Thanks for the response and the drill.
What's the rationale for the sweetspot/clubface facing the ground immediately? To train the hands for immediate release, immediate/full release from top? As Mr. Yoga said, clubhead release arc is longer with more PA3 angle, so have to release immediately, correct? Any advice for the right hand/arm participation and timing?
What's the rationale for the sweetspot/clubface facing the ground immediately? To train the hands for immediate release, immediate/full release from top? As Mr. Yoga said, clubhead release arc is longer with more PA3 angle, so have to release immediately, correct? Any advice for the right hand/arm participation and timing?
Respectfully.
Let me clarify....sweetspot looking at the ball....this drill the club doesn't get too much higher than parallel to the ground.
as far as the right arm goes...depends on the procedure...in swinging the right elbow is going to lead...sweetspot will look at the ball later...hitting the right elbow is punch...simultaneous release type...so sweetspot will not lay on the face of the plane near as long...right forearm will be responsible for pushing/throwing out the sweetspot to the ball...but that doesnt meean the hands get thrown out...it's the clubhead...
Let me clarify....sweetspot looking at the ball....this drill the club doesn't get too much higher than parallel to the ground.
as far as the right arm goes...depends on the procedure...in swinging the right elbow is going to lead...sweetspot will look at the ball later...hitting the right elbow is punch...simultaneous release type...so sweetspot will not lay on the face of the plane near as long...right forearm will be responsible for pushing/throwing out the sweetspot to the ball...but that doesnt meean the hands get thrown out...it's the clubhead...
Bucket,
Thanks. I'm interested in the swinging as the main pattern.
But you think it's possible to be a switter AND still rely mainly on pa3 as power source? I mean, no pa2 release at all. As a matter of fact, there's effort to inhibit release of pa2 in order to maintain the pa3 angle, which in turn improves accuracy. Pa1 release by p5.5? I think it's not possible to do simultaneously pa3 release via supination and pa1 release. But what do you think? If possible, how?
Thanks. I'm interested in the swinging as the main pattern.
But you think it's possible to be a switter AND still rely mainly on pa3 as power source? I mean, no pa2 release at all. As a matter of fact, there's effort to inhibit release of pa2 in order to maintain the pa3 angle, which in turn improves accuracy. Pa1 release by p5.5? I think it's not possible to do simultaneously pa3 release via supination and pa1 release. But what do you think? If possible, how?
Respectfully.
You want to "maintain" the #3 angle INHERENT IN THE PLANE ANGLE YOU SELECT...that's it that's all...the release type...that's freakin' red meat filet mig-nawn of the golfing machine....you can't swing and hit at the same time...Homer was a PURE GENIUS on this....Hitting IS releasing #2 and #3 at the SAME TIME....SIMULTANEOUSLY...therefore the sweetspot does not lay on the plane as long...also HUGE implications on right arm participation....pitch with swinging ...punch with hitting...
You can do that left arm drill thingie with BOTH procedures...you'll note that the left thumb works differently in it's uncocking...with simultaneous...the left thumb uncocks more "out to the plane line earlier"...with swinging you are uncocking karate chop left palm facing the plane longer...
different faces...different procedures...note the elbow positions....the different locations of the right shoulder....fly wheeling vertical-ish right shoulder...vs...launching pad right shoulder higher working out to the plane line more...Homer was a dang genius...right arm participation is totally different.
Accuracy isn't not allowing #2 to go...that's some morad junk...overriding the pulley...dragging the buttcap to the wall...
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 11-27-2011 at 08:28 PM.
You want to "maintain" the #3 angle INHERENT IN THE PLANE ANGLE YOU SELECT...that's it that's all...the release type...that's freakin' red meat filet mig-nawn of the golfing machine....you can't swing and hit at the same time...Homer was a PURE GENIUS on this....Hitting IS releasing #2 and #3 at the SAME TIME....SIMULTANEOUSLY...therefore the sweetspot does not lay on the plane as long...also HUGE implications on right arm participation....pitch with swinging ...punch with hitting...
You can do that left arm drill thingie with BOTH procedures...you'll note that the left thumb works differently in it's uncocking...with simultaneous...the left thumb uncocks more "out to the plane line earlier"...with swinging you are uncocking karate chop left palm facing the plane longer...
different faces...different procedures...note the elbow positions....the different locations of the right shoulder....fly wheeling vertical-ish right shoulder...vs...launching pad right shoulder higher working out to the plane line more...Homer was a dang genius...right arm participation is totally different.
Accuracy isn't not allowing #2 to go...that's some morad junk...overriding the pulley...dragging the buttcap to the wall...
Hall of Fame post, Bucket. Rendered and illustrated, as usual, in your own inimitable style. I've been around many of the exalted gurus of the game, and nobody gets it more right than you. And, mano-o-mano . . .
Hall of Fame post, Bucket. Rendered and illustrated, as usual, in your own inimitable style. I've been around many of the exalted gurus of the game, and nobody gets it more right than you. And, mano-o-mano . . .
You're a hard dog to get off the porch!!
And you're still the faithful Cap'n....but really all you gotta do to get this sorry dawg of the porch is to throw a poke chop biscuit in the yard....bait a trap with the other white meat and you'll catch me ever' time?
You want to "maintain" the #3 angle INHERENT IN THE PLANE ANGLE YOU SELECT...that's it that's all...the release type...that's freakin' red meat filet mig-nawn of the golfing machine....you can't swing and hit at the same time...Homer was a PURE GENIUS on this....Hitting IS releasing #2 and #3 at the SAME TIME....SIMULTANEOUSLY...therefore the sweetspot does not lay on the plane as long...also HUGE implications on right arm participation....pitch with swinging ...punch with hitting...
You can do that left arm drill thingie with BOTH procedures...you'll note that the left thumb works differently in it's uncocking...with simultaneous...the left thumb uncocks more "out to the plane line earlier"...with swinging you are uncocking karate chop left palm facing the plane longer...
different faces...different procedures...note the elbow positions....the different locations of the right shoulder....fly wheeling vertical-ish right shoulder...vs...launching pad right shoulder higher working out to the plane line more...Homer was a dang genius...right arm participation is totally different.
Accuracy isn't not allowing #2 to go...that's some morad junk...overriding the pulley...dragging the buttcap to the wall...
Bucket,
Thanks on your usual great reply.
Re accuracy by keeping pa2 unreleased, I didn't mean it that way. My INTENTION is to do something with pp1 and keep bent right wrist, but I know that won't happen when the throwout happens because the pa2 will inevitably release. But I'm still doing the pp1/bent right wrist thing (and level left wrist by the way) more to avoid or prevent the pa2 release/velocity to uncock the left wrist greater than it's level state; hence I was able to "maintain" the minimum pa3 angle AFTER pa2 release. And yeah, I have to "pair" this minimum angle post-pa2-release to the plane line. Thanks, excellent. So if I desire the elbow plane, I'll have to adjust the pa3 angle to it, right?
So I guess, it's still swinging, with 4-2-3 as the pattern? With this desired pattern of mine, you think my quest for accuracy first, distance later (when I get stronger) is MISPLACED? You think in this preferred pattern of mine (pa3 angle based), which would you recommend, swinging or hitting? Hitting is tempting me, just because of the distance advantage of right arm thrust. But can it trump out the rotation aspect contributing much to clubhead speed inherent in a swinging pattern?
Re maintaining pa2 unreleased, I agree. But what's your thoughts on having and keeping as large pa3 angle as possible post-release of pa2 in accuracy perspective? Well, distance perspective as well?
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