thoughts....decided on a pattern

[whip]

Sorry Ob the hitter cannot use the arc of approach it won't w a straight line

[O.B.Left]

Sorry Ob the hitter cannot use the arc of approach it won't w a straight line

I think we have a different take on things . Thats Ok. Thats the way things go given the yellow book of riddles .

IMO a hitter using the Arc of Approach Procedure would not see a straight line blur, he'd see an Arc or curved club head blur . Im talking about the true geometric Angle of Approach here , geometry of the Circle, guys who actually can see a straight line club head blur . Not hitters who merely point there plane line to the right. There are other geometric criteria which need to be met to allow you to actually see the straight line blur, wheel track. To see the illusion! You have to forgo a few 1-L's actually to pull it off, as others have said on this board. Its not a club shaft plane of motion but a club head etc etc. If you hit and your shaft rides a plane you will see a curved blur. Id say that most hitters fall into this category , even ones who point their plane line to the right!

I sent you a pm not sure if you saw it. If you want to discuss the Visual Equivalents maybe somebody could start a thread. It could go for a while.

Regards

[whip]

On this one is a big deal hitters do not use arc of approach as soon as they see an arc they are longer hitting.it must be a straight line not a curved arc

[O.B.Left]

On this one is a big deal hitters do not use arc of approach as soon as they see an arc they are longer hitting.it must be a straight line not a curved arc

I want to make sure that we're talking about visual equivalents here and not the true path of the club head . This is often the sticking point with 2-J-3. What seemed obvious to Homer was not so obvious to his readers sadly. As much as I love the book I do think it could have used a few more diagrams to my mind. Geometry is best described by drawings not words.

When I first got on this board I asked about the straight line blur that the hitter sees . I was told by a well meaning board member that this straight line blur was very real and a product of the hitters straight line thrust. It took me a few years to realize that this was not quite right. It is real but in a visual sense only. There is no flat spot in the club head orbit , the orbit is still circular for the hitter . Homers Angle of Attack straight line club head blur is not apparent when the exact same orbit is viewed from any perspective other than the golfers. Be it caddy, birds eye , DTL whatever.

Only the circumference of a circle is curved . The straight line wheel track is made by a circular wheel. Its a VISUAL equivalent we are talking about here.

Ask your self under what conditions the circular club head orbit would appear to be a straight line to the golfer. This insight was posted on this board once and only once to my knowledge. It was brief, perhaps a sentence long or so . Wonder if I can find it again , Ill try. The necessary geometric requirements of this are precise and have implications to some of the 1-Ls but once met they will allow a golfer to cover a straight line going back and also through the ball . It will allow him to hit inside out and achieve 3D impact . Its a way to Steer and achieve 3D impact in other words. Its a geometric anomaly perhaps ...... the sort of thing only Homer would come up with.


What if I told you this __ is really this O laid flat ? Would you still call the former a straight line or would you say it was a circle laid flat that visually appeared to be straight line from the viewers perspective?

The straight line club head blur that a hitter may see is not a direct product of his active right arm, its a product of the geometry he is employing (which is so manipulated that it doesn't lend itself well to swingings CF , auto everything, rock on a sting etc). Hence Homers somewhat confounding comment about whether a swinger could use the Angle ..... " NO , well maybe but it would require a lot of manipulations ".

[whip]

It sure about all that but I wil hang my hat on this fact, a hitter uses the angle of approach an arc of approach is for swingers only these are visual equivalents

[O.B.Left]

It sure about all that but I wil hang my hat on this fact, a hitter uses the angle of approach an arc of approach is for swingers only these are visual equivalents

Typically yes but not necessarily given what Homer said in the GSEM classes. Hitters can use the Arc of the Angle , swingers are pretty much confined to the Arc . The Angle requires so much manipulation that pivot power is detrimental as it produces CF which promotes shaft plane compliance rather than club head only plane travel. So if you're a hitter with some pivot power which most of them are , you're probably gonna plane your shaft .And if youre shaft rides a Plane you will see a curved blur unless you can somehow achieve the eye plane ....

[whip]

The hitter moves off the plane a bit coming through his path is not an arc blur it mist be a straight line path through the ball not an arc

[Etzwane]

I'm much less versed in TGM that you guys but it seems to me that one can Hit and still trace the plane line, and then the visual impression on the clubhead depends on the position of the head wrt the plane, or one can use the Angle of Approach *Procedure* that is cross plane-line and see a straight line (I remember a post from Ted saying that you both point and cover the straight line).

[O.B.Left]

I'm much less versed in TGM that you guys but it seems to me that one can Hit and still trace the plane line, and then the visual impression on the clubhead depends on the position of the head wrt the plane, or one can use the Angle of Approach *Procedure* that is cross plane-line and see a straight line (I remember a post from Ted saying that you both point and cover the straight line).

Yes and yes . It should also be noted that if a Hitter planed his shaft and traced at 10-5-E out to the right or closed plane line he would be using the arc of approach procedure (with its curved blur visual equivalent) , along a closed plane line . He would be turning the shot into an inside out stroke as opposed to merely an inside out Delivery Line. Assuming the hitters typical Angled Hinging this might not be a bad way to go ... but its not the true geometric Angle Of Approach procedure with its straight line club head blur visual.

Re "point and cover": The #3pp points at, Traces the line , the club head covers the straight line visually, from the players perspective. The club head will in the backstroke thereby move immediately and progressively up to higher and higher plane angles . The club shaft will not ride a plane but describe a cone shape with the pointy end of the cone behind the golfer . If the club head's flat plane of motion or orbit runs through the eye line he will be able to see a straight line club head blur. And use it as a reference. A highly manipulated procedure but geometrically sound if pointed to the right ... point it straight and you're Steering , you wouldn't have 3D impact and will hit floaters essentially given angled hinging. A great shot around the green but not when you need compression. Pointed to the right and you will re established Forward , Down and Out , 3 D impact with its associated increase in compression.

BTW , Ted's a hitter and employs either the arc or the angle when doing so. There's a post where Yoda alludes to this ....

[whip]

the hitter should move off plane out toward right field slightly in the follow through it is a line delivery the visual blur will be straight not curved along the angle of approach, if the blur is curved you are not hitting