thoughts....decided on a pattern

[O.B.Left]

I still do not understand why u think the elbow plane cannot see an angle of approach

You can have an elbow plane with the right arm and club shaft inline but if its pointing at the plane line and the club head is covering the Angle of Approach the right arm and club will be describing a cone shape as opposed to an on plane motion. Don't think this is outside of Homer Single horizontal is a primary lever cone shaped motion too. Put your shaft along a plane board and try to cover the plane line from a ball at low point , or anywhere else for that matter....... on plane shaft travel and club head covering the plane line are mutually exclusive. You can't do both.

The problem we have here is Im talking geometry.... pencil and paper drawings would make this more apparent to you.

[whip]

Why would u cover The plane line?

[O.B.Left]

Why would u cover The plane line?

That was just an example, golfers using the Angle of Approach do cover a straight line be it the plane line or the Angle which for ball back of low point is 10-5-E out to the right .

But it should be noted that a ball positioned at low point would have an Angle of Approach on top , square to the true plane line meaning that he or she would cover the plane line. Impact and Low point plane lines being one and the same.

In this instance the hitters cross line active right arm thrust however would still be geometrically correct given the thrust continues down and out to both arms straight not low point. See 1-L something or other. Its a revelation that one.

[O.B.Left]

Why would u cover The plane line?

Golfers using the Angle of Approach do cover a straight line Plane Line be it the true plane line or for balls played back of low point a 10-5-E out to the right deal. The former are square the latter are closed to various degrees.


A golfer employing the Angle of Approach procedure while positioning the ball at low point would have a straight line Angle of Approach blur which appeared to be on top of the true plane line, visually l Not to the right, although the thrust is to the right ... if you know what I mean. The plane line and the impact plane line are one and the same when the ball is positioned at low point but the thrust continues down and out to both arms straight.

Actively or passively the thrust continues down and out to both arms straight ........ not low point. See 1-L something or other. Its a revelation that one. One of Homers greatest .

This is where the true geometric Angle as a procedure gets differentiated from a 10-5-E inside out stroke. And it aint black and white as the visual curved blur you see gets more straight line as the plane angle approaches the eye line. . Theortically it could appear as a reverse arc , smiley face if the plane got above the eye plane.

Remember Visual Equivalents are just that .. illusions to the true path of the club head that are useful as a guide or reference if you so choose. There are other methods of monitoring the same.

[whip]

What? The arc of approach is a curved blur in the eye of the golfer. i know i could be missing something here ob no disrespect to your opinion this stuff can be difficult to comprehend and none of this discussion is ever personal for me only to seek the truth through back and forth discussion, i think i just got the impression from my sources very strongly that the VISUAL equivalent of an angle of approach is just and only that a VISUAL equivalent even if in reality it is seemingly geometrically impossible, but like i said the hitters motion is uncentered and therefore not subject to the geometry and it's subsequent visual equivalents caused by the left shoulder center. this is my interpretation at least.

[whip]

hitting, swinging is my thing but this works too

[BerntR]

This is the most interesting discussion I've read for quite some time.

Popcorn and the yellow book is out.

[O.B.Left]

Lots of nice stuff there Whip. Love how your left hip is back while your sliding your hips left. Slide with a Delayed Turn as Lynn teaches it not as photo'd in the book. Lynn clarified this whole thing on this forum once upon a time. A must read IMO as this move is critical. Hogan in the photo below appears to demonstrating Slide with a Delayed Turn as Lynn teaches it I believe.

You're really trying to get your right elbow in front there , I try to as well and for the same reason ....delayed release . Ill unbend my right elbow to make it a past a stuck right hip... unbending being release and earlier than snap. I suspect Hogan worked on the right elbow passing the hip too given the other photo below. If memory serves this photo was taken as part of a right elbow drill which was presented in Power Golf.

Nice impact and Follow Through, both arms straight. Thats some nice passive right arm thrust , cross line all the way to both arms straight per 1-L something. Oops missed that photo but I saw it . Did Bucket ever talk to you about your head movement post both arms straight? He did with me way back when . Its interesting stuff.

[O.B.Left]

Ill save Air the leg work ... here is Lynns post on the photos in question . This is a must know item, get ready to mark up your books guys.

I think Lynn posted his thoughts on the notations necessary to correct this business in the book . Ill try to find the post or share my notes if anyone is interested. Or you can think of Hogans photo above when reading about the Slide with a Delayed Hip Turn in the book.

[O.B.Left]

What? The arc of approach is a curved blur in the eye of the golfer

typo, thanks.