thoughts....decided on a pattern

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And Im not making up the fact that Homer did say a Swinger could possibly use the Angle of Approach procedure . Unlikely , uncommon and highly manipulated though it would be. Homer in his cataloguing defined the two theoretical extremes and everything in the middle. Thats the range of possibilities however ungolf like they may be.

Ask yourself this when the body is turning can u pull along the angle of approach straight blur?

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Ask yourself this when the body is turning can u pull along the angle of approach straight blur?

Its highly unlikely . I want to say no. But when asked about this Homer's first reaction was to say it wasn't possible , but then upon reflection backed away from this position. But only ever so slightly . Thats not un Homer like , some of the photos are decidedly un golf like but within the realm of possibility and therefor worthy of being catalogued. Snap Loading always looks weird to me for instance . I used to wonder why the heck that was in there? But no longer. Still haven't seen it in the flesh though. Probably never will.

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Why do u think that because he is on the elbow plane he does not see a straight line also what's this about Doppler I don't believe it.

I know squat about doppler but I don't think the readings could be wrong. Maybe the interpretation of things could get out of whack but not the data... assuming its properly collected , calibrated etc .

The only way to see the straight line club head blur is to plane the club head to a super high plane. Homer said " now its a vertical plane angle , well almost vertical". Arnie had a pretty high plane angle but not that high. He also looks to be planing his shaft for the most part. And so it makes me wonder what blur he would see assuming he noticed the blur. Its only an option for monitoring club travel its not an imperative or anything. Id bet on some sort of cross line aiming point , right arm throw deal if you put a gun to my head on Arnies monitoring . Which you probably wouldnt mind doing right now I suspect. You and a whole bunch of other people .

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I still don't know why u think in order to use the angle of approach the plane must be very steep why?

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Suicide is no laughing matter we don't wanna see a gun to your head Ob, ya I would say that any supposed information that disproved homer is suspect

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Suicide is no laughing matter we don't wanna see a gun to your head Ob, ya I would say that any supposed information that disproved homer is suspect

Im not trying to disprove Homer in any way, Just trying to shed some light on his geometry.

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I still don't know why u think in order to use the angle of approach the plane must be very steep why?

Thats just the way the geometry of a circle and any tangent to it work. Given an angle of inclination to the plane of the circle, the low point plane line and the impact plane line will not lie on top of each other vertically.

If you have a plane board at your disposal using a common plane angle elbow or whatever : plane your shaft at impact and then cover the plane line visually with the club head during start up. You will see the head and the club moving off plane immediately in start up ... out above the initial plane . Immediately and progressively out to a higher plane angle. Or put your putter in a putting rail for straight back straight through strokes and watch the shaft move of it original plane angle in startup. You could use a string line too as its really just a very small horizontal section of an angled plane. Imagine hundreds of strings forming a plane board ...which is somewhat angled. The plane board and the putting arc are mutually exclusive ... they can't be used at the same time!

This was common stuff back in the 70's for full swings , when guys covered the line , straight back , SQuare to Square by Dick Aultman etc . Homer said the attempt to cover the line was the reason for the super high plane angles of his day both in the audio tapes and in the book.


See Turning Shoulder Plane 10-6-D and look at the photo to see how high the plane angle is.

The basic “Turning Shoulder Plane” procedure – (A) below – is undoubtedly the most widely used Basic Plane Angle. The player who takes the Clubhead “straight back from the ball” is using this Plane Angle. The Clubhead is also brought “straight down through the ball” for Impact. This is a dependable explanation of the “Feel” of this procedure. And this procedure brings the Club into the loaded condition on a vertical Plane instead of on the Inclined Plane. With a full Wrist Cock Stroke the Hands are “under the Club.” This calls for Single Wrist Action (10-18-C).

BTW while this plane is not "undoubtedly the most widely used" plane angle anymore there are still some using it . Jim Furyk for instance gets his hands sky high .................... and who's father during his formative years , had him cover a ruler which was placed directly behind his golf ball. Straight back in startup.


First time I saw the arc of approach it was spray painted on a rubber mat at George Knudsons range in Buttonville. I hated it. Cause it made my swing "flat". I didn't want to swing like George....didnt want a lesson from him. What an idiot I was. His son is teaching now ... might go get a lesson to try and right that wrong.

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Of course the alternative is tracing but focusing on the blur is very useful and will keep your head steady

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[quote=O.B.Left;92567]Thats just the way the geometry of a circle and any tangent to it work. Given an angle of inclination to the plane of the circle, the low point plane line and the impact plane line will not lie on top of each other vertically.
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The impact plane line and low point plane line will never be atthe same point unless u are playing it at low point

I still do not understand why u think the elbow plane cannot see an angle of approach

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The impact plane line and low point plane line will never be at the same point unless u are playing it at low point

Agreed ...............