thoughts....decided on a pattern

[svsvincenzo]

If you are already on elbow plane and not yet releasing, that means you're still on longitudinal acceleration of the shaft, which means you're still shifting down and eventually will be on R knee plane...lol

[svsvincenzo]

Dammit Daryl sir, what a lot of excellent info you posted in here! It's like a crash course on TGM!

[Par71]

The Elbow Plane, has only a "2" stage acceleration sequence. Hand acceleration and pulley release occur almost simultaneously. There is no straight line into the pulley. Hand and Clubhead acceleration is a single event.

I don't agree with that. And I'm fairly sure Homer Kelley would have said that you can have Snap Release on an Elbow Plane.

Hand Acceleration is the entire interval from the end of the Start Down until the start of Release - Section 8, Downstroke. With a Double Shift and Angled Line Delivery Path, both the vertical path of the Hands down to Elbow Plane AND the straight line path of the Hands from the angle towards the Aiming Point are Hand Acceleration and precede the period of Clubhead Acceleration.

Compare picture 10-23-B #3 with pictures 10-24-D #2 and 10-24-E #2.

To me, 10-23-B #2 shows a Snap Release on the Elbow Plane. 10-24-D #2 and 10-24-E #2 show Snap Releases on the Turned Shoulder Plane.

[BerntR]

I have a problem with the straight line delivery path. I have never seen it in footage. None of the stroboscope like videos and images out there that show the hand path have anything close to a straight line. Some of them seem to have some variation - larger radius followed by a brief stretch with smaller radius, but never straight. And some of the hand paths seem to have a pretty even curve even among late releasers.

IMO the swing plane does not dictate how late the release can start, but slightly more overtaking can be produced on a steeper plane, especially if there is more PA#2 / less PA#3 involved.

I like to see good connection between pivot and hands during the release interval: A power package structure with enough structural integrity to be powered and driven by the shoulders and the straightening of the right elbow. A right forearm flying wedge that is well preserved, or at least a very quiet right wrist seems to be a good indicator. I do not see this connection fully intact in e.g. Garcia even though he clearly has a very late release. When the angle between the right forearm and the shaft becomes too acute, when there is too much motion in the right wrist, the power package structure gets weaker and more hand action is required.

[svsvincenzo]

Wouldn't a higher plane require less PA3, lower plane require more PA3?

Less PA3=shorter release interval, more pa3=longer release interval?

So a higher plane (e.g., TSP) would require later release, otherwise your sweet spot will be over plane (aka out to in). Lower plane (e.g., elbow plane) requires earlier release, otherwise your sweet spot will be under plane (aka in to out, plus fat gouging shots).

This is all about the relative distance/space of the hands, sweet spot and the ground to each other at impact.

[BerntR]

Yes. Steeper/higher plane - more PA#2 and less PA#3. That's what I said, wasn't it?

[svsvincenzo]

Yes. Steeper/higher plane - more PA#2 and less PA#3. That's what I said, wasn't it?

Yes Bernt. I was concerned more with the release. More PA3, longer release interval, so earlier release. Snap release won't work.

Higher vs lower plane got to do with the grip, the PA3 angle on the L hand.

[whip]

Daryl the elbow plane does not force u to release early the Turned shoulder plane doesnt force u to release late u have options u can do whatever u want at any angle u want go for it sky's the limit with tgm. This isn't an opinion you're just flat out wrong.

Yes Bernt. I was concerned more with the release. More PA3clubbed moves in a wider release interval, so earlier release. Snap release won't work.

Higher vs lower plane got to do with the grip, the PA3 angle on the L hand.

The simple misunderstanding here Is that just because the release interval is longer doesnt mean it isnt still a snap release, a release that waited til the last POSSIBLE moment to release the club. Its a matter of WHEN NOT WHERE like par71 told u; early, late or somewhere in between. Triggered by a deliberate manuever or an automatic procedure

Of course a deeper release is possible on the turned shoulder because there is less angle between the left arm and clubshaft(pa#3) which means when the third power accumulator essentially releases the clubhead travels a shorter distance in space so it doesn't take as long for things to get in line

For example consider the standard wrist action. Turning and rolling notice how the clubhead moves in a wider arc as u turn and roll with the grip in the fingers on the elbow plane. When the angle is less it moves a shorter distance I.e. shorter period of time to get in line

Imagine swinging a 20 foot long driver. You better believe you have to release that sooner than you would with a normal wedge

Bottom line

Length of the club effects the release interval and so does the number three accumulator angle

But it doesn't effect 'the when'

Plane angle does not determine when its released

[svsvincenzo]

I don't agree with that. And I'm fairly sure Homer Kelley would have said that you can have Snap Release on an Elbow Plane.

Hand Acceleration is the entire interval from the end of the Start Down until the start of Release - Section 8, Downstroke. With a Double Shift and Angled Line Delivery Path, both the vertical path of the Hands down to Elbow Plane AND the straight line path of the Hands from the angle towards the Aiming Point are Hand Acceleration and precede the period of Clubhead Acceleration.

Compare picture 10-23-B #3 with pictures 10-24-D #2 and 10-24-E #2.

To me, 10-23-B #2 shows a Snap Release on the Elbow Plane. 10-24-D #2 and 10-24-E #2 show Snap Releases on the Turned Shoulder Plane.

I don't think we can use elbow plane with a small PA3, so elbow plane needs a big PA3. If we have a big PA3, the release interval for PA3 is longer. Which means we can't snap.

If we use snap release with big PA3, you will never square the face unless you're Hercules.

If we use a small PA3 for elbow plane, you would have to move your low point a lot forward and plane way right to make sweet spot on plane to the ball. So maybe you can snap with these in order to move low point forward and plane to the right? So would that make Daryl wrong?

Not trying to fuel the fire, just wondering.

[Par71]

Svsvincenzo,

I think we just have a different understanding of the term "Snap Release". Definitions.

I fully agree with you that Elbow Plane comes with a bigger PA3, and that more PA3 will require an earlier Release Point. I just believe that whatever latest Release Point that allows you to use on any chosen Plane is called Snap in TGM.