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Old 01-13-2014, 07:31 AM
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I was going to make a well supported rebuttal to your inaccurate statements from your last post and it realized I seriously do not have the time to point out and support evidence against just how many absurd statements you make, literally every statement you make is some new elaborate completely misunderstood explanation and when I question u on it u avoid it directly so I can see I'm wasting my time with you I can only hope that those who do know the book well will confirm to other readers not to take daryls word on tgm as gospel because the stuff ain't right dude!

There is so much wrong with every part of everything you are saying theres not enough time in my day to address all your errors

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Old 01-13-2014, 11:46 AM
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You obviously fooled hungry bear into thinking your stoic-sounding mumbo jumbo that is so mind numbingly vapid and useless has any value at all. .......................................
Didn't intend to "trigger" a "Pood" fight. (puns intended)

Reread my post:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/post95481-487.html

I believe the ESSENTIALS have a higher standing than the IMPERATIVES:
Release comes from Zone #1 Elements 12-17, and contain the Essentials.
That is where the release adjustment is best made.(hands control remains)
Adjusting release in Zone #2 or #3 by a violation of the Imperatives- not so good.



Just my thoughts

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Old 01-15-2014, 03:09 AM
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The imperatives are imperative. They are the "sameness" what allgolfers must have to not be a duffer once you get the imperatives start working on "the differences" the details of the way the components are interrelated within the essentials.
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Old 01-15-2014, 09:06 PM
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The essentials must fit the stroke alignments
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The imperatives are imperative. They are the "sameness" what allgolfers must have to not be a duffer once you get the imperatives start working on "the differences" the details of the way the components are interrelated within the essentials.
Not exactly what I ment.

It is best to have command of the Essentials and how to apply them to the stroke pattern intended.

The "youtube ad" shows, with humor, what I mean.

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Old 01-16-2014, 02:43 AM
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Huh, ya I didn't understand the ad but i follow u. Just tell me this hungry bear do you think the angle that the golfer swings on dictates the point at which its released? Do you think hogan did not have a snap release? Trying to see other members view on the subject at hand...

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Old 01-16-2014, 04:03 PM
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Huh, ya I didn't understand the ad but i follow u. Just tell me this hungry bear do you think the angle that the golfer swings on dictates the point at which its released? Do you think hogan did not have a snap release? Trying to see other members view on the subject at hand...
You missed the point.

The Turned shoulder plane has a "3" stage acceleration sequence. The Straight Line Delivery Path, "Hand Acceleration", is stage 2, which occurs before the Pulley (Stage 3 Clubhead Acceleration). A Snap Release occurs when the hands reach the end of the straight line path (stage 2) and then, and only then, does phase 3, clubhead acceleration begin.

The Elbow Plane, has only a "2" stage acceleration sequence. Hand acceleration and pulley release occur almost simultaneously. There is no straight line into the pulley. Hand and Clubhead acceleration is a single event.

Homer should not have stated

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10-24-E AUTOMATIC SNAP RELEASE This procedure drives the Lag Pressure Point through a Snap Release (6-N-0) as if there were to be no Release at all. The Paddlewheel Action of Angled Hinging per (10-10-C) or the Throw Out Action of Accumulator #3 (6-B-3-0), if unhampered, will whip the Hands and the Clubface into impact alignment per 7-23. A strong whiplash type of motion is also effective. With Single Wrist Action (10-18-C) a Snap Release will return the Hands to their Vertical condition before Triggering and ensure a Downward rather than a Forward course of the Clubhead into Full Extension. Study 2-P, 6-B-2-0 and 10-11-3-0.
One of the Key statements is "This procedure drives the Lag Pressure Point", referring to the "Always" driving Right Forearm using the #3 PP to sense clubhead lag along a straight line delivery path.

He should at least included: "as if you are not trying to Release because you are not using a release point". The distinction is very important. It would be more accurate if stated: "as though there were no release point because an Aiming Point is not used to trigger release, but rather the Snap release is triggered as the result (by product) of an alignment".........."The Pulley is forced to begin when the Hands reach the end of the straight line delivery path".....


The Below statement is crazy. Delay the Automatic Trigger until you Trigger? As long as the Hands still arrive in Impact location and position at Impact? Gibberish. You can delay the trigger in Sweep and Random Sweep but you can't delay the trigger past the point that an automatic snap release triggers the Clubhead. I would venture to guess that the below statement 10-24-D was included to make the theory look complete. Unless he's referring to a #2 PP Swing (not the Driving as in 10-24-E). But then, without a straight line delivery path it would not be a Snap Release, although it is a very definite "Whiplash" feeling Release.

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10-24-D NON-AUTOMATIC SNAP RELEASE This procedure delays the Triggering of the Release as long as possible and still allows sufficient time to execute the deliberate maneuvering of a Non-Automatic Trigger Type so that the Hands will still arrive in Impact location and position at Impact. A strong, deliberate whiplash type of motion.
He may have been better off if he named this Release Pair "Whiplash Release",
"Automatic Whiplash" and "Non-Automatic Whiplash".
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Old 01-17-2014, 07:59 AM
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Snap = as late as possible
Full Sweep = as early as possible
Random Sweep = anywhere in between

Non-Automatic Snap Release is just the latest Release than can still be deliberately triggered.

It has an earlier Release Point than Automatic Snap Release (because you have to trigger Release by a deliberate maneuver before an Automatic Release occurs). But it is the latest Release Point for the Non-Automatic Releases (the far end of the spectrum of possible Non-Automatic Release Points).
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Old 01-17-2014, 04:32 PM
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nowhere did u explain why you cannot have a snap release on the elbow plane. which is your claim that i keep addressing and you keep ignoring, now you are even saying what homer shouldnt have lol now that's funny.....

the point is when u make a claim that is incorrect and i prove you wrong and you dont have a counter argument what value can you serve on the subject?
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Old 01-17-2014, 08:25 PM
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nowhere did u explain why you cannot have a snap release on the elbow plane. which is your claim that i keep addressing and you keep ignoring, now you are even saying what homer shouldnt have lol now that's funny.....

the point is when u make a claim that is incorrect and i prove you wrong and you dont have a counter argument what value can you serve on the subject?
Actually I made it very clear. Elbow plane only has a 2 stage Acceleration Sequence and no straight line delivery path.

YOU and others like you, are the reason why others have stopped posting on LBG.com. When trying to have a reasonable discussion, you're very insulting and disrespectful of the efforts of others. You've proven to not be worth the time or effort.
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Old 01-18-2014, 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by whip View Post
Huh, ya I didn't understand the ad but i follow u. Just tell me this hungry bear do you think the angle that the golfer swings on dictates the point at which its released? Do you think hogan did not have a snap release? Trying to see other members view on the subject at hand...
No disrespect, but I think I'd agree more with Daryl.

Once you're on elbow plane, release starts. Hogan is in elbow plane very early, so he's releasing very early or random sweeping. Hogan snap releasing is IMO an illusion due to his use of a big PA3 angle.
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