[12 piece bucket]

Mike, appreciate your thought . Which do you think is Off mark?

Is what you meant the Axe, low speed thrust, overlapping release, release type, trigger delay, throws, Muscular , shorter and vice versa? The characteristics? And what I am trying to say ... regardless if its a HIT or a swing.. we can do both hinges , overlapping or sequential release,

Say Tom Watson is a swinger with highly overlapped release, Bobby Clamppett is a Angled hinge Swinger..Ted fort can do a Horizontal Hit stroke if he likes. Even Un-characteristic of a swing or hit can still be introduced to a stroke and still be called a swinging or hitting by Homer Kelly.

So what really differs a swinger and a hitter ? what are important changes? Thats what i am trying to sort out

So far my conclusion is, we only need to change 3 following things to differ a hit and swing;

1. the way the extensor action ( or acc 1) apply on primary/secondary lever assembly, making it "Active" and "Passive". but the right elbow keep pushing and keep the extensor action ON, at all time .
2. the way the PP#3 is placed( side or top aft), to be driven actively or passively.
3. the punch/pitch Elbow position ,

this 3 changes alone will change the CORE Mechanics/Action between a swing and a HIT in TGM terms, in any case with a pivot delivery stroke, without question?( including cause and effect of the characteristic of hitting and swinging which everyone is familiar with, like we do not need to think the back swing shorter or longer, muscular thrust or throwaway,active or passive tricep+ many other characteristics , it automatically applies),

However , the Execution/Motion is very much the same with just 3 changes... Hum... anybody understand what i am trying to express?

Thats what I am trying to ask...

Give me more clue . Master Comdpa.. not sure where your aiming at...

Hitting and Swinging are very much different in terms of the method, timing and nature of Acceleration in my opinion. The geometry itself is very much similar ex) you can Hit with a Pitch Elbow and you can Swing with a Punch Elbow. But the differences are very much with regards to how the G.O.L.F.er handles Conservation of Angular Momentum and the requisite Acceleration differences.

So what's the deal? Conservation of Angular Momentum is basically present in ALL golf swings regardless of the method of Thrust (CF or muscle). Clubhead reaches its top speed at Release. It is actually slowing due to conservation of momentum as the radius extends. So the club is either Driven out or Thrown out via CF. Every player is up against this inevitable slow down due to momentum being conserved. However, conservation of momentum is in absence of Thrust. Therefore Mr. Kelley believed that the slow down could be mitigated however not avioded by Thrust. Hence, sustain the Lag Pressure, the Line of Compression and THRUST.

So how is the Thrust different for both procedures? It is different and significantly different.

First the Swinger . . . Mr. Kelley demonstrated the body being in essence a "Massive Rotor" by spinning on one of them spinning chairs or stools. When he stuck out his arms the chair didn't slow down very much. However, when he stuck out his legs the chair slowed significantly. So this basically means that the Swinger has a HUGE mass (his body) relative to his "lightweight" arms that basically Thrust the Lever Assemblies through the Orbit. So what this means with regards to Handspeed is comparitively different than the Hitter. The Swinger gets the Massive Rotor SPINNING at the Start Down. Ideally pulling every component in line QUICKLY via Instant Hip Acceleration . . . then Mr. Kelley said that the function of the Pivot was to "just stay ahead." As a result of the "quick" Startdown blasting the Sweetspot into its On Plane Orbit, the Swinger reaches his Max Handspeed much faster than the Hitter. Then he just "hangs on." No really huge amount of effort is necessary because the Body is so much more MASSIVE relative to the Arms and Club. So just keep turning. This MASSIVE Rotor is the Swinger's advantage over the Hitter.

The Hitter on the other hand forfits to a large degree the Mass of the Pivot. The Right Shoulder (pivot) becomes the "backstop" for the Hitter to Thrust the Tricep and Straightening Right Arm against. Mr. Kelley likened this to the recoil of a shotgun where the shoulder gets beatup by the gun's stock. The pivot as Ted Fort so expertly points out for the Hitter "justs gets the massive cannon ball rolling . . . ITS EASIER TO PUSH A ROLLING CANNONBALL THAN A CANNON BALL AT REST." So the Right Shoulder gets the Right Arm DOWNPLANE past the Line of Sight to the Ball and then the Right Tricep deliverys a PUNCH through Impact. Since the Right Shoulder is simply providing the support for the Punch the Acceleration is NECESSARILY slower in order for the Thrust and the Lag Pressure Loaded by the Pivot to be SUSTAINED. Since the Hitter just has his Ticeps to Thrust and Accelerate his hands through the Release interval. He MUST not shoot his Load to soon. He MUST have a slow startdown and get his Right Shoulder Down Plane otherwise he will run out of Right Arm. Also since he has forfitted the Massive Rotor his Thrust and Max Handspeed has to happen MUCH later.

To me them is the differences . . . and they are"biggies."