[golfbulldog]

golfbulldog your argument has far from sold me yet i'm afraid. In 7-3 when Homer talks about the position of the right forearm he says 'should' he doesn't say it separates hitting and swinging. To me it's still an ideal. from my own experience i can get my right arm in all sorts of funky positions and still swing.

Back to 7-19, the text you quoted doesn't mean a great deal on it's own as it does not specify what the manipulation is. But Homer does seem to go on to clarify:

"Clubhead Lag can be established in three different ways:
-1. by resisting the Backstroke motion for Drive Loading
-2. with the Start Down motion for Float Loading
-3 by "throwing" the club against the Lag Pressure Point at The Top for Drag Loading"

Theres no way he;s resisting the backstroke for drive loading, lucky number 3 for me...

Hi Danny, not trying to convince every/anyone - just amusing to read over 30 posts discussing hit or swing for Cabrera with no consensus opinion formed and no mention of the loading action.

"6-C-2-0. CLUBHEAD LAG
is the "Secret of Golf" technique -without it the Line of Compression (2-0) cannot be sustained (3-F-7-B). "

So clubhead lag is the core of STLOC.. which would suggest that its establishment - ie. loading ( and it maintenance as per SECgolf) are key to the discussion of any swingpattern.

So much of the discussion has revolved around the use of accumulator 1 defining hit or swing ( probably because that is the key accumulator used in hitting/ pushing the pp3 ...ie. PP3 behind the shaft).... but 4 barrel swingers use it as well... presumably once the swingers pp3 has re-rotated back the quarter turn and is behind the shaft just prior to impact.

If this is the case then accumulator 1 should not be the defining characteristic for hit or swing if it can be common to both.

Nobody has a perfect definition... that is why there were so many differing opinions... 12 piece stuck his extremely well informed neck out and went for hitter, others saw swinger...

All i am saying is that the loading of lag is key component in the discussion and the manner in which you make/feel the shaft stress should really govern your other components... hinge action is a semi-natural secondary to what has gone before ( ie. a pure pulling swing will tend towards horizontal but can be over-ridden and pure hit with simultaneous release will tend towards angled but can also be manually over-ridden)...

What would be really interesting is to have a definition of what we mean by hit or swing, then work out a way of assessing players ( in whatevr way you like) to decide what they are doing...