[SECGolf]

Hi Danny, not trying to convince every/anyone - just amusing to read over 30 posts discussing hit or swing for Cabrera with no consensus opinion formed and no mention of the loading action.

"6-C-2-0. CLUBHEAD LAG
is the "Secret of Golf" technique -without it the Line of Compression (2-0) cannot be sustained (3-F-7-B). "

So clubhead lag is the core of STLOC.. which would suggest that its establishment - ie. loading ( and it maintenance as per SECgolf) are key to the discussion of any swingpattern.

So much of the discussion has revolved around the use of accumulator 1 defining hit or swing ( probably because that is the key accumulator used in hitting/ pushing the pp3 ...ie. PP3 behind the shaft).... but 4 barrel swingers use it as well... presumably once the swingers pp3 has re-rotated back the quarter turn and is behind the shaft just prior to impact.

If this is the case then accumulator 1 should not be the defining characteristic for hit or swing if it can be common to both.

Nobody has a perfect definition... that is why there were so many differing opinions... 12 piece stuck his extremely well informed neck out and went for hitter, others saw swinger...

All i am saying is that the loading of lag is key component in the discussion and the manner in which you make/feel the shaft stress should really govern your other components... hinge action is a semi-natural secondary to what has gone before ( ie. a pure pulling swing will tend towards horizontal but can be over-ridden and pure hit with simultaneous release will tend towards angled but can also be manually over-ridden)...

What would be really interesting is to have a definition of what we mean by hit or swing, then work out a way of assessing players ( in whatevr way you like) to decide what they are doing...

Good Post. When the hitting vs swinging comes up, my understanding says that technically, it is black and white. What is the basic intent of the right arm (accum #1) - to move lever actively or to move lever passively. Right there in 7-19 and 10-19. Also assuming a person is a pure hitter or swinger, there is absolutely no way to tell which unless you are in that person's mind. There are clues that ONLY MOST of the hitter or swinger population might have, but that's it. You can't assume against exceptions.