No- this is not a "swing the clubhead- feel the clubhead golf swing."
That's the beauty of The Golfing Machine - Kelley tells us exactly how to feel the clubhead (through the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point) which is associated with "all over control" 7-19.
I don't think Kelley was at odds with greats like Ernest Jones and Percy Boomer.
That's the beauty of The Golfing Machine - Kelley tells us exactly how to feel the clubhead (through the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point) which is associated with "all over control" 7-19.
I don't think Kelley was at odds with greats like Ernest Jones and Percy Boomer.
No he wasn't. Certainly not Boomer.
DG- not absolutes, just trying to explain TGM 12-1-0 and 12-2-0. Yoda and Hull do a great job. You cannot find this information of Tomesello's video. He doesn't pull. Even a Hitter was a strong 'twitch' pull to set up the hands.
Im done trying to explain the differeence between weight and Lag. Swing the clubhead, SEC
And if you watch that video- you will not believe what you see. Your Hands are not as educated as you think if they need to micro manage a pivot. A correct take-away requires a turn. A down stroke requires a turn. And the Hands do NOT move themsleves at the very start- if they do they are way to active and might nopt find On PLANE by themselves. If they don't move themselves- what does?
Im done trying to explain the differeence between weight and Lag. Swing the clubhead, SEC
And if you watch that video- you will not believe what you see. Your Hands are not as educated as you think if they need to micro manage a pivot. A correct take-away requires a turn. A down stroke requires a turn. And the Hands do NOT move themsleves at the very start- if they do they are way to active and might nopt find On PLANE by themselves. If they don't move themselves- what does?
Take starting at impact fix. Cetainly the hands don't move themselves at the start. (they are frozen) Elbow, forearms guided by the brain to the nerves in the hands - hands knowing all along that the plane line must be traced. Body then responds.
There is no "muscle memory" in the hips that enables them to correctly turn in a precise fashion (or in shoulders, or in any part of any human).
That's just it with the hands controlled pivot. Do you move with brain attention to the hands or the hips or the shoulders? You can hit the ball by doing both. What method will be more precise? There is a reason why you do most everything in life through your hands.
Take starting at impact fix. Cetainly the hands don't move themselves at the start. (they are frozen) Elbow, forearms guided by the brain to the nerves in the hands - hands knowing all along that the plane line must be traced. Body then responds.
There is no "muscle memory" in the hips that enables them to correctly turn in a precise fashion (or in shoulders, or in any part of any human).
That's just it with the hands controlled pivot. Do you move with brain attention to the hands or the hips or the shoulders? You can hit the ball by doing both. What method will be more precise? There is a reason why you do most everything in life through your hands.
A well trained pivot allows the hands to do what is important. Go to the ball.
You say the Hands know the line to trace- then the Body responds. When does it respond- after the Hands move on their own or after the pivot starts or when?
A well trained pivot allows the hands to do what is important. Go to the ball.
You say the Hands know the line to trace- then the Body responds. When does it respond- after the Hands move on their own or after the pivot starts or when?
I'm a piece of sheet. Swing the clubhead dude.
Really, really. I'm not trying to argue. This has been a very, very good discussion. Obviously, I know you know a lot of TGM. I've done my fair share of study and memorizing this site. I don't think my tone (or didn't intend) to warrent "dude" and guilt trips "I'm a piece of sheet".
It is definitely not "Tomasello only" for me. I'm very on board with what the professionals on this site say.
I'm not sold on the uncocking of the right forearm terminology. What I can say with certainty is that from the top, the hands know the line they must trace - through training - obviously the hands screw up at times, or the pivot is faulty (due to pivot control) and screw up the hands. At the least, the hands' intent or knowing the line they must trace causes the hip slide. I'd say focus your mind on hand plane line tracing and let the hips respond.
Why wouldn't you train the pivot? Train it, get it ready to respond to the hands ( maybe the term is "oil it up").
Really, really. I'm not trying to argue. This has been a very, very good discussion. Obviously, I know you know a lot of TGM. I've done my fair share of study and memorizing this site. I don't think my tone (or didn't intend) to warrent "dude" and guilt trips "I'm a piece of sheet".
It is definitely not "Tomasello only" for me. I'm very on board with what the professionals on this site say.
I'm not sold on the uncocking of the right forearm terminology. What I can say with certainty is that from the top, the hands know the line they must trace - through training - obviously the hands screw up at times, or the pivot is faulty (due to pivot control) and screw up the hands. At the least, the hands' intent or knowing the line they must trace causes the hip slide. I'd say focus your mind on hand plane line tracing and let the hips respond.
Why wouldn't you train the pivot? Train it, get it ready to respond to the hands ( maybe the term is "oil it up").
I believe the pivot needs to be trained first before you learn a hand-controlled swing. Tracing the plane line with the hands will not automatically cause the hips to slide. You can trace a plane line with the arms moving from the shoulders only and no pivot.
Tomasello covers the pivot in his first Australian video.
I believe the pivot needs to be trained first before you learn a hand-controlled swing. Tracing the plane line with the hands will not automatically cause the hips to slide. You can trace a plane line with the arms moving from the shoulders only and no pivot.
Tomasello covers the pivot in his first Australian video.
Fog on this one.
Per 5-0 ..."but especially during Start down maintain clubhead lag relationship to plane line (by tracing with hands) - not to the body. That (referring to previous description) - failure to clear the Right Hip (Roundhouse) can initiate almost every alignment disruption" He's saying trace the plane line so as to ensure a clearing to the right hip. If you trace a plane line with the arms moving from the shoulders only and no pivot, you are not going to the top, the right hip is never getting in the way. No need for hip to clear. Like basic motion. If you trace a plane line on a full swing, you have to clear the hips or you can't trace the plane line (back up and in, down, out, forward - shoulders can't do this and not have the hips move).
Really, really. I'm not trying to argue. This has been a very, very good discussion. Obviously, I know you know a lot of TGM. I've done my fair share of study and memorizing this site. I don't think my tone (or didn't intend) to warrent "dude" and guilt trips "I'm a piece of sheet".
It is definitely not "Tomasello only" for me. I'm very on board with what the professionals on this site say.
I'm not sold on the uncocking of the right forearm terminology. What I can say with certainty is that from the top, the hands know the line they must trace - through training - obviously the hands screw up at times, or the pivot is faulty (due to pivot control) and screw up the hands. At the least, the hands' intent or knowing the line they must trace causes the hip slide. I'd say focus your mind on hand plane line tracing and let the hips respond.
Why wouldn't you train the pivot? Train it, get it ready to respond to the hands ( maybe the term is "oil it up").
If you're not sold on the uncocking of the right forearm from the top.....do you really understand longitudinal acceleration.
What is the dictionary definition of longitudinal that best describes its application to the golf swing?
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 06-03-2007 at 10:59 AM.
If you're not sold on the uncocking of the right forearm from the top.....do you really understand longitudinal acceleration.
What is the dictionary definition of longitudinal that best describes its application to the golf swing?
DG
DG: Your call to action has not gone unnoticed. I'll get around to it, but right now, my TGM brain is worn out trying to give my opinion that there is not some wide chasm between the thoughts of Tomasello, Blake, and Evershed on the hand controlled pivot.
Im done trying to explain the differeence between weight and Lag.
I think i have it reconciled. Gravity, in a similar fashion to force exerted against the club (a force that is different from club head lag pressure) though Pressure points (for hand movement, resulting in club movement), is exterted against the clubhead. This is a change to the inert club head. The result of this change is pressure that is sensed by the hands. You may obtain clubhead feel through this pressure. Maintain it and create more by continuing to change, or drive the club head by moving the hands (as stated above, hand movement said knowing hands are indeed moved by pressure from accumulators) and allow the hands to sense it.
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