Well, I agree with the general notion that hitting/swinging long irons is an issue for the masses.
However, the hitting procedure itself, still sucks in general. There are FAR more posts on how to hit longer clubs in the Hitting section, than Swinging section. Its because of inefficientcy of the procedure.
Additionally, no one seems to want to address the dirth of hitters on the major tours....I summize its because it does not work. If it did, more would have "dug it out of the dirt" by now! Literally thousands of professionals and aspiring professionals have experimented with all kinds of ways of getting the ball to the hole, yet, hitting is not a procedure that many do, or employ in there arsenal of shots, why?
(and don't tell me because they have not discovered Homer, thats old and worn out)
Ok . . . define what Hitting is in your opinion . . .
Could not be that your understanding or hitting alignments suck . . . or you suck at hitting . . . and not that hitting sucks?
There are Major Winners who are Hitters AP. . . Stads . . . Lee Buck . . . Larry Nelson. That ain't a bad list.
Just because pros don't do it doesn't make it invalid. Hell pros don't swing like Moe Norman but pretty much to a man they said he hit it better than any of them.
Try a Closed-Closed Plane Line and an Open-Open Mind.
Oh yeah . . . and it's because they haven't discovered Homer .
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 06-15-2007 at 10:07 PM.
With any shots, there must be Rhythm. Without it , there is no consistencies, over acceleration, no connections and dependencies.
There are tons of hitters as there are a lot of swingers Models, and not a simple matter of splitting the golfdom into a IDEAL swinging or Hitting Models. Neither the 'best' model can play best.
For example, its not necessary to start hitting from a IMPACT fix setup, neither this component is meant for Hitting only.
Hinge action, angle of attack, Plane angle, how closed the face ( ball position and alignment) at impact controls the trajectories. not the hitting or swinging action. its possible to get high or low with hitting or swinging. Hitter can hits draw, Swinger can do fade with a change in hinge action.
I personally think the real difference in How to, between hitting and swinging is clearly separated in chapter 7-3.
I am pretty strong and I get longer hitting. At my low effort, its about my swinging length. And they are not that different execution wise , we don't need to consciously change 24 component to separate between a hit and a swing.
One very strong point about HITTING. superior control of the Hinge action. Don't call me a swinger, I will be offended !
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Ok . . . define what Hitting is in your opinion . . .
Could not be that your understanding or hitting alignments suck . . . or you suck at hitting . . . and not that hitting sucks?
There are Major Winners who are Hitters AP. . . Stads . . . Lee Buck . . . Larry Nelson. That ain't a bad list.
Just because pros don't do it doesn't make it invalid. Hell pros don't swing like Moe Norman but pretty much to a man they said he hit it better than any of them.
Try a Closed-Closed Plane Line and an Open-Open Mind.
Oh yeah . . . and it's because they haven't discovered Homer .
Funny.....Clearly, I suck at hitting, and my understanding of hitting sucks, no doubt about that.
Just because pros dont do it doesent make if invalid......We disagree on that one. If players at the highest level dont do it, its because it doesent hold up better than something else.
Also, not sure Trevino was a hitter, after all, if you listen to what "he said" he did, rather than "interpret" what you thought you saw, he was a swinger!
I guess my main point is.......why, oh, why, are there so many posters who have an inability to hit longer clubs well? (they are crying out for help) And, why can't the informed group on this site articulate a way to provide the necessary help?
We disagree on that one. If players at the highest level dont do it, its because it doesent hold up better than something else.
Please do tell....What in the world suggests that players on the highest level have the correct information that would enable them to hit????? (Or players of the "lowest level", for that matter????) Even a player truely digs it out of the dirt, it is laughable to think that they are not influenced by popular instruction.
Also, there are people that hit well. Are you suggesting that they are "freaks of nature?" ( Or maybe they have and can apply the correct information.)
Funny.....Clearly, I suck at hitting, and my understanding of hitting sucks, no doubt about that.
Just because pros dont do it doesent make if invalid......We disagree on that one. If players at the highest level dont do it, its because it doesent hold up better than something else.
Also, not sure Trevino was a hitter, after all, if you listen to what "he said" he did, rather than "interpret" what you thought you saw, he was a swinger!
I guess my main point is.......why, oh, why, are there so many posters who have an inability to hit longer clubs well? (they are crying out for help) And, why can't the informed group on this site articulate a way to provide the necessary help?
I was one of the one who had problems. I misunderstood Hitting as Hitting and forgot about rhythm. And for Hitting , without understanding Plane and what starts first etc, its much much easier to get over the top, steering, casting , not releasing etc.After all its Muscular intention, not CF throwout. When i understood plane etc, how everything interrelates , it really is much better hitting long irons, drivers and I would not go back to swinging .
Much much easier to control hinge action, and i believe i will be Longer Hitting than swinging for a long time to come.
The secret of hitting is in the videos vault here..
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Latest incubator: Finally appreciate why Hogan wrote 19 pages on GRIP. I bet he could write another 40 pages.
Funny.....Clearly, I suck at hitting, and my understanding of hitting sucks, no doubt about that.
Just because pros dont do it doesent make if invalid......We disagree on that one. If players at the highest level dont do it, its because it doesent hold up better than something else.
Also, not sure Trevino was a hitter, after all, if you listen to what "he said" he did, rather than "interpret" what you thought you saw, he was a swinger!
I guess my main point is.......why, oh, why, are there so many posters who have an inability to hit longer clubs well? (they are crying out for help) And, why can't the informed group on this site articulate a way to provide the necessary help?
Pops . . . there are PLENTY of pros out there who SAY they use the right arm to accelerate the club . . . what do that make them?
Hogan said he did all kinds of stuff that he didn't do. Kenny Perry is a Hitter . . . but he probably doesn't know it.
How are we NOT supposed to go by what we see? I look at video and stills of Lee Buck I see Hitter . . . I don't care what he says. Pictures don't tell no lies. You tell me how Lee Buck looks like a Swinger?
Advice to Hit longer clubs better . . .
1. Buy a hybrid
2. learn to go all the way DOWN on Plane and OUT on plane.
3. Don't swing harder . . . OVERACCELERATE. Those shafts are longer for a reason. You don't have to create MASSIVE Lag Pressure because you can't sustain it.
4. As the clubs get longer people (I do) tend to place their mind on the CLUBHEAD and NOT the Hands. Focus on the hands. Swing with eyes closed . . . then Hit/Swing it.
5. People are more than likely Steering with the longer clubs.
6. Maintain the 1st Imperative to be sure that you get the full loft on the club.
7. People tend to turn Angled Hinging into Vertical Hinging thus the righties . . . On flatter planes (longer clubs) Angled Hinging tends to look more like Horizontal Hinging because there is less lay back. So be sure that your Hinging isn't Vertical.
8. Make sure you are aligning the clubface with the described procedure in 2-J-1 (I think that's where it is). You must align the face at address to correspond to the selected Hinging AND how hard you intend to hit the ball. Harder with Angled = More Closed . . . the ball is on the clubface longer and close to counter act the laying back. Harder with Horizontal = More Open . . . open to counter act the closing.
Pops . . . there are PLENTY of pros out there who SAY they use the right arm to accelerate the club . . . what do that make them?
Hogan said he did all kinds of stuff that he didn't do. Kenny Perry is a Hitter . . . but he probably doesn't know it.
How are we NOT supposed to go by what we see? I look at video and stills of Lee Buck I see Hitter . . . I don't care what he says. Pictures don't tell no lies. You tell me how Lee Buck looks like a Swinger?
Advice to Hit longer clubs better . . .
1. Buy a hybrid
2. learn to go all the way DOWN on Plane and OUT on plane.
3. Don't swing harder . . . OVERACCELERATE. Those shafts are longer for a reason. You don't have to create MASSIVE Lag Pressure because you can't sustain it.
4. As the clubs get longer people (I do) tend to place their mind on the CLUBHEAD and NOT the Hands. Focus on the hands. Swing with eyes closed . . . then Hit/Swing it.
5. People are more than likely Steering with the longer clubs.
6. Maintain the 1st Imperative to be sure that you get the full loft on the club.
7. People tend to turn Angled Hinging into Vertical Hinging thus the righties . . . On flatter planes (longer clubs) Angled Hinging tends to look more like Horizontal Hinging because there is less lay back. So be sure that your Hinging isn't Vertical.
8. Make sure you are aligning the clubface with the described procedure in 2-J-1 (I think that's where it is). You must align the face at address to correspond to the selected Hinging AND how hard you intend to hit the ball. Harder with Angled = More Closed . . . the ball is on the clubface longer and close to counter act the laying back. Harder with Horizontal = More Open . . . open to counter act the closing.
Also read 7-11 and 10-11 as they relate to hitting. See that you (yes YOU!) must thrust against clubhead lag pressure (#3 PP). What if you're already starting to lose clubhead lag pressure (given that you now aren't relying on your friend cetrifugal force, admit that this is possible)???? I'd say that it would create a lot of problems (as far as getting the same distance as swinging) - as any transfer of power would be ruined.
kenny perry is definitely not a hitter.i grew up with himand play alot of practice rounds with him.you can still have right arm participation and bea swinger.kenny can hitonly a hook,it is almost impossible to draw the ball using hitting motion,because of the geometric alignments.youmay hit controlled pulls but a draw hitting does not jive
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