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Old 08-06-2007, 01:41 PM
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Which is first to learn, "swing" or "hit"? Why?
I'd say most have a "natural" preference . . . I've seen dudes that just can't make their elbow go to Pitch Basic . . . so maybe they should Hit right from the jump.

If the person is a definite Swinger, once they get Swinging down to an acceptable level, they should learn Hitting? Why because learning to Hit solidifies the understanding, maintenace and dependence on Alignments. Mr. Kelley said that the Swinger that learns to Hit will be that much better of a Swinger by learning to Hit.
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Old 08-07-2007, 10:19 AM
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I'd say most have a "natural" preference . . . I've seen dudes that just can't make their elbow go to Pitch Basic . . . so maybe they should Hit right from the jump.

If the person is a definite Swinger, once they get Swinging down to an acceptable level, they should learn Hitting? Why because learning to Hit solidifies the understanding, maintenace and dependence on Alignments. Mr. Kelley said that the Swinger that learns to Hit will be that much better of a Swinger by learning to Hit.
Interesting Bucket, did he say why?
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Old 08-08-2007, 08:53 PM
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Interesting Bucket, did he say why?
Sure did . . . he said that the Hitter is SOLELY reliant on his Alignments and the Machine structure. He said that you could Swing in your sleep because you just crank the gryoscope and just hang on. The Hitter must control every element with regards to Alignments and also Acceleration control. Hitting is harder to learn . . . but once you learn it . . . you just set your Alignments and nothing moves. Then when you go back to Swinging you have CF on your side AND you have the precision Alignments that you have learned from Hitting. With Swinging you can get away with all kinds of stuff. The Right Forearm doesn't HAVE TO be on Plane. You can flatten the Right Wrist and even let your #1 Pressure Point come off the club ala Vijay Singh. You think you can hit without your Right Forearm supporting and driving the shaft??? Hell naw ain't happening.

CF and the Flail will cover up alot of alignment issues . . . BUT when you bring the Alignments you learned from Hitting back to Swinging you're a WAY better Swinger.

You joining the Mike O Bagger tag team??? I met you man . . . you better start smoking dope you got too many brain cells to hang with that squadron. I had to call the paramedics for Mike O today he got black jelly beans stuck in his nose and ears. Beware of the pair with stained underwear.
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Old 08-09-2007, 12:39 AM
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Sure did . . . he said that the Hitter is SOLELY reliant on his Alignments and the Machine structure. He said that you could Swing in your sleep because you just crank the gryoscope and just hang on. The Hitter must control every element with regards to Alignments and also Acceleration control. Hitting is harder to learn . . . but once you learn it . . . you just set your Alignments and nothing moves. Then when you go back to Swinging you have CF on your side AND you have the precision Alignments that you have learned from Hitting. With Swinging you can get away with all kinds of stuff. The Right Forearm doesn't HAVE TO be on Plane. You can flatten the Right Wrist and even let your #1 Pressure Point come off the club ala Vijay Singh. You think you can hit without your Right Forearm supporting and driving the shaft??? Hell naw ain't happening.

CF and the Flail will cover up alot of alignment issues . . . BUT when you bring the Alignments you learned from Hitting back to Swinging you're a WAY better Swinger.

You joining the Mike O Bagger tag team??? I met you man . . . you better start smoking dope you got too many brain cells to hang with that squadron. I had to call the paramedics for Mike O today he got black jelly beans stuck in his nose and ears. Beware of the pair with stained underwear.
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I haven't seen you in over a day. I thought it would be easier to reach you here. I know you've been telling everyone that you sell insurance but don't you think you should really tell them the truth, that you're a janitor at the home here. There really is nothing to be ashamed about. But that's not why I posted- I've got a couple of messes and you need to come down and clean them up or you are going to lose your job! Oh ya! DrewitGolf is back - they put him in the room across the hall from mine- he threw the soup of the day all over his room- you'll need to clean that up also when you're down on our wing.
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Old 08-09-2007, 07:42 AM
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I haven't seen you in over a day. I thought it would be easier to reach you here. I know you've been telling everyone that you sell insurance but don't you think you should really tell them the truth, that you're a janitor at the home here. There really is nothing to be ashamed about. But that's not why I posted- I've got a couple of messes and you need to come down and clean them up or you are going to lose your job! Oh ya! DrewitGolf is back - they put him in the room across the hall from mine- he threw the soup of the day all over his room- you'll need to clean that up also when you're down on our wing.
Has somebody been trying to smoke beanpods again???
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Oh ya! DrewitGolf is back - they put him in the room across the hall from mine- he threw the soup of the day all over his room- you'll need to clean that up also when you're down on our wing.
Not done practicing Throw-Out without Throw-Away !
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Old 08-09-2007, 12:53 AM
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. . . he [Homer Kelley] said that the Hitter is SOLELY reliant on his Alignments and the Machine structure. He said that you could Swing in your sleep because you just crank the gryoscope and just hang on. The Hitter must control every element with regards to Alignments and also Acceleration control. Hitting is harder to learn . . . but once you learn it . . . you just set your Alignments and nothing moves. Then when you go back to Swinging you have CF on your side AND you have the precision Alignments that you have learned from Hitting. With Swinging you can get away with all kinds of stuff. The Right Forearm doesn't HAVE TO be on Plane. You can flatten the Right Wrist and even let your #1 Pressure Point come off the club ala Vijay Singh. You think you can hit without your Right Forearm supporting and driving the shaft??? Hell naw ain't happening.

CF and the Flail will cover up alot of alignment issues . . . BUT when you bring the Alignments you learned from Hitting back to Swinging you're a WAY better Swinger.
Great post, Bucket. Thanks!

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Old 08-09-2007, 09:28 AM
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Sure did . . . he said that the Hitter is SOLELY reliant on his Alignments and the Machine structure. He said that you could Swing in your sleep because you just crank the gryoscope and just hang on. The Hitter must control every element with regards to Alignments and also Acceleration control. Hitting is harder to learn . . . but once you learn it . . . you just set your Alignments and nothing moves. Then when you go back to Swinging you have CF on your side AND you have the precision Alignments that you have learned from Hitting. With Swinging you can get away with all kinds of stuff. The Right Forearm doesn't HAVE TO be on Plane. You can flatten the Right Wrist and even let your #1 Pressure Point come off the club ala Vijay Singh. You think you can hit without your Right Forearm supporting and driving the shaft??? Hell naw ain't happening.

CF and the Flail will cover up alot of alignment issues . . . BUT when you bring the Alignments you learned from Hitting back to Swinging you're a WAY better Swinger.

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Great, great post. Says so much - in your own words; better understanding for all.
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Old 12-28-2007, 04:13 AM
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With Swinging you can get away with all kinds of stuff. The Right Forearm doesn't HAVE TO be on Plane
12,

Please clarify. This is a reall interesting comment.

When did he say it, what context?

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Old 12-28-2007, 10:01 AM
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12,

Please clarify.

When did he say it, what context?

Thanks,
Patrick
He didn't say it in a book . . .

But think about it . . . if you are Hitting you are PUSHING so you have to have the right forearm in line to support what you are pushing. When you Swing you are pulling so it's much more dependent on Pivot than Triceps. Not saying that having the Forearm off plane is the best way . . . just that you can. CF doesn't care where your forearm is . . . .
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