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Old 12-28-2007, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
With Swinging you can get away with all kinds of stuff. The Right Forearm doesn't HAVE TO be on Plane
12,

Please clarify. This is a reall interesting comment.

When did he say it, what context?

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Old 12-28-2007, 10:01 AM
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12,

Please clarify.

When did he say it, what context?

Thanks,
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He didn't say it in a book . . .

But think about it . . . if you are Hitting you are PUSHING so you have to have the right forearm in line to support what you are pushing. When you Swing you are pulling so it's much more dependent on Pivot than Triceps. Not saying that having the Forearm off plane is the best way . . . just that you can. CF doesn't care where your forearm is . . . .
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Old 12-28-2007, 10:39 PM
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Back in August I said I gave my students the choice between hitting and swinging when learning basic motion.

Most chose hitting....and I wondered why? Most, being right handed, felt more control as they use this hand for many other things in life (don't go there bucket).

I'm now finding that impact alignments, tracing the plane line, extensor action and lag pressure point pressure are learned easier when hitting during basic motion. Impact bag results also kind of prove it.

By educating the right hand first there is the tendency of less flipping when moving to the next step of acquired motion. At this stage is when I introduce the differences to give them the choice.

I've been finding that turn, uncock and roll is generally harder to learn than drive loading. Also, once the right hand is educated it is much easier to educate the left.

So, with a beginning golfer I now say that hitting is the easier path when using basic motion unless there is a medical problem that would warrant learning swinging first.

However, when working with non beginners I look for their natural tendency and go from there.

And thanks to you guys I can now teach both. Thanks and Happy New Year!!!
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Old 12-28-2007, 11:04 PM
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Most chose hitting....and I wondered why? Most, being right handed, felt more control as they use this hand for many other things in life (don't go there bucket).
I won't go "there" . . . this time . . . but your post is an astute one . . .
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Old 12-28-2007, 11:30 PM
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I can only say thanks again to you guys who have helped me so much!

Btw, what is Aloha Mr. Hand about? Haven't lived in the States for 32 years....out of the loop.
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Old 12-29-2007, 07:10 AM
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I can only say thanks again to you guys who have helped me so much!

Btw, what is Aloha Mr. Hand about? Haven't lived in the States for 32 years....out of the loop.
Fast Times At Ridgemont High . . . a classic movie . . . rent it and you'll understand . . . .
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Old 12-30-2007, 08:40 AM
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Great post.
Which to learn first? Hitting or swinging?
I think the standard answer is both. You won’t fully understand one without the other.

The #3 pressure point directly opposed to the primary lever assembly vs. #3 pressure point directly opposed to the secondary lever assembly. Standard wrist action takeaway vs. Single wrist action takeaway? Differing elbow locations? How could you know one without knowing the other.

Horizontal vs. Angled Hinging. How can one fully understand sequenced release vs. simultaneous release without understanding both?

Both, hitting and swinging have a pulling feel at startdown.

You start by Switting. Your first swing is a mixture of both. And many more swings after that one. To know each component, you need to know their differences. To know compatibility of components, one must understand why component combinations are incompatible. Cause-effect.

I have been Swinging on Acquired and Full motion, and Hitting on short strokes and putting. A great combination.

Ying and Yang.
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