Double cocking of right wrist

[innercityteacher]

Double cocking moves the right forearm flying wedge off plane. I tend to hit pulls when I double cock.

Is pulling my right elbow back given a proper stance, automatically the elbow plane given impact hands being formed?

[mb6606]

Is pulling my right elbow back given a proper stance, automatically the elbow plane given impact hands being formed?

Right forearm goes back,up, and in. If you are not sure trace the plane line with a flashlight attached to your right forearm.

[O.B.Left]

Right forearm goes back,up, and in. If you are not sure trace the plane line with a flashlight attached to your right forearm.

Yes thats the best and easiest answer, ICT. But if you'll allow a far more long winded and therefore stupid reply:

Point the #3 Presure Point , the Sweetspot Plane ( or the clubshaft if you prefer, though its not quite correct technically ) at the Plane Line as you Fan and Bend your Right Forearm and Elbow. This pointing is referred to as Tracing the Plane Line. That is job #1 going back assuming you want to be on plane. If your Right Forearm is on the Inclined Plane at Impact Fix or Address prior to Tracing , you are off to a great start.

Plane Line Tracing is more critical than Plane Angle considerations of which there are options. With the Right Forearm Flying Wedge intact , On Plane and Tracing the Plane Line it is both a strong, superior in fact, mechanical alignment (think construction cranes, load bearing arms etc) and geometrically (plane line) compliant. Force and Direction. Physics and Geometry. The #3 pp is both Thrust and Direction.

To see the need structuraly for the RFFW, press a club head against a door jam or the edge of a rubber hitting mat or something. From a impact like postion try to bend the shaft as much as you can with your Pivot and/or Right Arm. You'll find Homers alignments appear pretty quickly. Your grip and alignments will move around automatically to reveal Homer's RFFW, left thumb down the aft of the shaft, #1 pp thrusting , #3 sensing the resistance etc etc etc its all there. They arent opinion or preference they are just mechanical, structural reality. My good friend, Dooger actually bends the shaft like this into the ground prior to addressing the ball when playing. He doesnt know anything about HOmer Kelley, doesnt want to, but he can flat out compress the ball with his alignments. I curse the guys existance sometimes. Fortuneatly Doogie was not in attendance when the Golf Gods were handing out putting acumen. One of the Lords tender mercies for all who play him.

[innercityteacher]

It was late, last call in fact, her hand was on my TALY and my beer was warm...

I pulled my right elbow straight back today to the shoulder line and pretended I was Yoda actually trying to channel him...

Strong tripod...the ball felt like a marshmellow and went down the middle (5 iron) 170 yards on the fly with a range ball! Impact hands and extended right elbow driven into the ball through the ball like a mad piston...

Lots more marshmellows reaching my previous maximums down the middle and it is March and 55 degrees!

Kevin encouraged me to read the right arm magic pdf.

I am so happy and so not a genius. I know my accumulators are all out of whack but my short left/front leg gives me some momentum I think like an automatic forward press. I barely rotated and did a Moe Norman finish with full weight on my front leg and rear toe up!

But can I do it tomorrow?

Thanks!

Yes thats the best and easiest answer, ICT. But if you'll allow a far more long winded and therefore stupid reply:

Point the #3 Presure Point , the Sweetspot Plane ( or the clubshaft if you prefer, though its not quite correct technically ) at the Plane Line as you Fan and Bend your Right Forearm and Elbow. This pointing is referred to as Tracing the Plane Line. That is job #1 going back assuming you want to be on plane. If your Right Forearm is on the Inclined Plane at Impact Fix or Address prior to Tracing , you are off to a great start.

Plane Line Tracing is more critical than Plane Angle considerations of which there are options. With the Right Forearm Flying Wedge intact , On Plane and Tracing the Plane Line it is both a strong, superior in fact, mechanical alignment (think construction cranes, load bearing arms etc) and geometrically (plane line) compliant. Force and Direction. Physics and Geometry. The #3 pp is both Thrust and Direction.

To see the need structuraly for the RFFW, press a club head against a door jam or the edge of a rubber hitting mat or something. From a impact like postion try to bend the shaft as much as you can. You'll find Homers alignments pretty quickly. Your grip and alignments will move around automatically to reveal Homer's RFFW, left thumb down the aft of the shaft, #1 pp thrusting , #3 sensing the resistance etc etc etc its all there. They arent opinion or preference they are just mechanical, structural reality. My good friend, Dooger actually bends the shaft like this into the ground prior to addressing the ball when playing. He doesnt know anything about HOmer Kelley, doesnt want to, but he can flat out compress the ball with his alignments. I curse the guys existance sometimes. Fortuneatly Doogie was not in attendance when the Golf Gods were handing out putting acumen. One of the Lords tender mercies for all who play him.

[innercityteacher]

over the ball to feel the pp#3 over and over trying to keep the sense of it as I extended my elbow. When I only concentrated on the elbow, the shots were less efficient.

Yes thats the best and easiest answer, ICT. But if you'll allow a far more long winded and therefore stupid reply:

Point the #3 Presure Point , the Sweetspot Plane ( or the clubshaft if you prefer, though its not quite correct technically ) at the Plane Line as you Fan and Bend your Right Forearm and Elbow. This pointing is referred to as Tracing the Plane Line. That is job #1 going back assuming you want to be on plane. If your Right Forearm is on the Inclined Plane at Impact Fix or Address prior to Tracing , you are off to a great start.

Plane Line Tracing is more critical than Plane Angle considerations of which there are options. With the Right Forearm Flying Wedge intact , On Plane and Tracing the Plane Line it is both a strong, superior in fact, mechanical alignment (think construction cranes, load bearing arms etc) and geometrically (plane line) compliant. Force and Direction. Physics and Geometry. The #3 pp is both Thrust and Direction.

To see the need structuraly for the RFFW, press a club head against a door jam or the edge of a rubber hitting mat or something. From a impact like postion try to bend the shaft as much as you can. You'll find Homers alignments pretty quickly. Your grip and alignments will move around automatically to reveal Homer's RFFW, left thumb down the aft of the shaft, #1 pp thrusting , #3 sensing the resistance etc etc etc its all there. They arent opinion or preference they are just mechanical, structural reality. My good friend, Dooger actually bends the shaft like this into the ground prior to addressing the ball when playing. He doesnt know anything about HOmer Kelley, doesnt want to, but he can flat out compress the ball with his alignments. I curse the guys existance sometimes. Fortuneatly Doogie was not in attendance when the Golf Gods were handing out putting acumen. One of the Lords tender mercies for all who play him.

[O.B.Left]

Double cocking moves the right forearm flying wedge off plane. I tend to hit pulls when I double cock.

Just realized this topic is actually about double cocking the Right Wrist. I read Left for some reason. mb is right on the money again.

But if I may, I believe he is referring not to the Inclined Plane but to the Plane of the Right Hand Bend, the Plane of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge, which will not be kept intact when the Right Wrist is cocked (in addition to any bending). So dont do it! It doesnt add much in the way of power, physics and totally destroys the geometry if not corrected by Impact. A consistency robber at the very least.


With your RFFW and a club laid on a table top, any cocking of the Right Wrist will take the clubshaft off the table top! Ideally the Left Hand cocks only , the Right Hand bends only (assuming you dont start at Fix in which case it is frozen in the necessary amount of bend established at Impact Fix). Its a weird concept at first, counter intuitive. Dont cock em both. Spread your hands wide apart on the club to see how its possible via Right Elbow Bending to cock the Left Wrist without cocking the Right. The shortening of the Right Side cocks the Left Wrist. Law of the Triangle. Homer said that all concepts could be thought of as 2D geometric shapes which as an aside, can lie on the Inclined Plane. Bending the Plane makes the shapes 3D. Not a good thing.

Back to the original topic. Dont want to get busted by the Thread Jack police. But I snuck some encoded messages in there for you Innercity. Dont tell anyone. Rub some lemon over these thoughts and tell her to get her hands off your Taly.

[innercityteacher]

Hi Kevin. I am looking at Mr. Tomasello's very fine work and practicing inside with an impact bag due to the monsoon outside. And my body needs a rest after five days of hitting the ball more purposefully and powerfully than ever before.


When I drop the shoulder straight down, using Mr. T's great posture teaching, that shoulder flows to the ball on its own almost, but I can really accelerate that move also. The pressure on pp #3 very satisfying as is the weight. Is this the downward shoulder plane ?

And then, if I simply replace the trail elbow to my trail side and carry that through to finish, is that the elbow plane?

And then, if I get in that very compact hitting posture and bash the heck out of it by extending my right arm right from the top, is that a third plane or an elbow plane or?

And now to completely show my lack of TGM experience more fully, which types of hitting motions allow a 21hcp like me the best chance of putting a dependable tee shot a respectable distance down the fairway? (Speaking generally about hackers and newbies of course. I will try the various combinations but history can be a pretty reliable teacher.) My short game can be better than average. This week I realized that pp#3 will help both putting and chipping. It was very cool to chip a 7 iron 100 yards at a flag consistently, then a 5 iron, 5 wood, 7 wood. etc. using the simplest hitting motion.

Thanks also for the new list of enthusiasts!

Patrick

Sorry, but that video does not belong on this website. In my opinion, the sole purpose of that video is to discredit the work of YODA and Brian Gay by another teacher trying to compete with LBG.

True practitioners of The Golfing Machine understand the use of different components and different alignments per the students preferences. That is one of THE MAJOR TENANTS of Mr. Kelley's work.



The Magic Of The Right Forearm was a HUGE part of Homer Kelley's ideals:



I apologize for my rant. Obviously, that video was done by an EXCELLENT teacher, I just don't care for folks whose marketing is based upon putting down the work of others, and I feel the need to stand up for what I believe in.

Kevin

[KevCarter]

Patrick,

Planes are nothing more than different angles of the shaft, and which one you are on isn't important right now. I think you ae reading too much into plane too fast.

Right now, it's just important that you keep the shaft "ON PLANE" any plane. Unless the shaft is parallel to the ground, which happens 3 times during the swing, one end of the club must point at your plane line, or the "gutter" of the "roof."
Very important that you understand this concept. Ask questions if you don't.

One of the greatest quotes I have seen came last week from O.B. "The right shoulder is the connection between the pivot and power package."

Please keep focusing on what has gotten you here so far. It will be a lifetime project. THE 3 IMPERATIVES!

Also, since like me you are enjoying the Magic Of The Right Forearm, read these quotes often:

“The right forearm has been the key to everything.” BRIAN GAY

"Address the ball with your Left Wrist Level and your Right Forearm On Plane. Until you do this, you are wasting your time in a sea of compensations." LYNN BLAKE

"That Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point...
you're going to want to insure'em for a million bucks." HOMER KELLEY

Kevin

Hi Kevin. I am looking at Mr. Tomasello's very fine work and practicing inside with an impact bag due to the monsoon outside. And my body needs a rest after five days of hitting the ball more purposefully and powerfully than ever before.


When I drop the shoulder straight down, using Mr. T's great posture teaching, that shoulder flows to the ball on its own almost, but I can really accelerate that move also. The pressure on pp #3 very satisfying as is the weight. Is this the downward shoulder plane ?

And then, if I simply replace the trail elbow to my trail side and carry that through to finish, is that the elbow plane?

And then, if I get in that very compact hitting posture and bash the heck out of it by extending my right arm right from the top, is that a third plane or an elbow plane or?

And now to completely show my lack of TGM experience more fully, which types of hitting motions allow a 21hcp like me the best chance of putting a dependable tee shot a respectable distance down the fairway? (Speaking generally about hackers and newbies of course. I will try the various combinations but history can be a pretty reliable teacher.) My short game can be better than average. This week I realized that pp#3 will help both putting and chipping. It was very cool to chip a 7 iron 100 yards at a flag consistently, then a 5 iron, 5 wood, 7 wood. etc. using the simplest hitting motion.

Thanks also for the new list of enthusiasts!

Patrick

[innercityteacher]

My first round is supposed to be next week if the weather cooperates.

Posture, extension to hit (no cocking of wrists), pivot-shoulder or pivot-rt. arm with gradual acceleration. That should be enough for one week of practice.

Patrick

Patrick,

Planes are nothing more than different angles of the shaft, and which one you are on isn't important right now. I think you ae reading too much into plane too fast.

Right now, it's just important that you keep the shaft "ON PLANE" any plane. Unless the shaft is parallel to the ground, which happens 3 times during the swing, one end of the club must point at your plane line, or the "gutter" of the "roof."
Very important that you understand this concept. Ask questions if you don't.

One of the greatest quotes I have seen came last week from O.B. "The right shoulder is the connection between the pivot and power package."

Please keep focusing on what has gotten you here so far. It will be a lifetime project. THE 3 IMPERATIVES!

Also, since like me you are enjoying the Magic Of The Right Forearm, read these quotes often:

“The right forearm has been the key to everything.” BRIAN GAY

"Address the ball with your Left Wrist Level and your Right Forearm On Plane. Until you do this, you are wasting your time in a sea of compensations." LYNN BLAKE

"That Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point...
you're going to want to insure'em for a million bucks." HOMER KELLEY

Kevin

[innercityteacher]

The other day a boy at school was crying in terror. The girls were speaking to him in Spanish. His answer came out in English. "My dad was so mad at me. He said when I got home he is going to kill me by tazing me." We reported this, of course, and got him an extra carton of chocolate milk. He was in school the next day and was fine.

I watched a long film clip about the life of Moe Norman. Can you imagine the terror of a little boy hit by a car and dragged underneath? Moe Norman stated in that interview that he hit millions of golf balls and was never injured. He simply listened to his body after every round of practice as he soaked in a tub and changed his routine the next day. He seemed pretty happy about that. There was a time when he was not safe and happy. He wanted golf to be safe and effective and he figured out how to do it.

Planting the front foot and shifting parallel to the target line allows the pivot to flow as the body is constructed. Do you then extend the right arm straight forward to be efficient or do you use a 45 degree angle?

Patrick

Yes thats the best and easiest answer, ICT. But if you'll allow a far more long winded and therefore stupid reply:

Point the #3 Presure Point , the Sweetspot Plane ( or the clubshaft if you prefer, though its not quite correct technically ) at the Plane Line as you Fan and Bend your Right Forearm and Elbow. This pointing is referred to as Tracing the Plane Line. That is job #1 going back assuming you want to be on plane. If your Right Forearm is on the Inclined Plane at Impact Fix or Address prior to Tracing , you are off to a great start.

Plane Line Tracing is more critical than Plane Angle considerations of which there are options. With the Right Forearm Flying Wedge intact , On Plane and Tracing the Plane Line it is both a strong, superior in fact, mechanical alignment (think construction cranes, load bearing arms etc) and geometrically (plane line) compliant. Force and Direction. Physics and Geometry. The #3 pp is both Thrust and Direction.

To see the need structuraly for the RFFW, press a club head against a door jam or the edge of a rubber hitting mat or something. From a impact like postion try to bend the shaft as much as you can with your Pivot and/or Right Arm. You'll find Homers alignments appear pretty quickly. Your grip and alignments will move around automatically to reveal Homer's RFFW, left thumb down the aft of the shaft, #1 pp thrusting , #3 sensing the resistance etc etc etc its all there. They arent opinion or preference they are just mechanical, structural reality. My good friend, Dooger actually bends the shaft like this into the ground prior to addressing the ball when playing. He doesnt know anything about HOmer Kelley, doesnt want to, but he can flat out compress the ball with his alignments. I curse the guys existance sometimes. Fortuneatly Doogie was not in attendance when the Golf Gods were handing out putting acumen. One of the Lords tender mercies for all who play him.