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Old 08-03-2006, 11:39 AM
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When talking about the role of the SHOULDERS, however, TGM rarely even mentions the left shoulder. Mr. Yoda has written many, many times about the role of the RIGHT SHOULDER, and how it's proper on plane motion accelerates the swinger's left arm.

Now, if a player likes to FEEL the left shoulder moving up and back instead of monitoring the RIGHT SHOULDER moving down towards the ball, and gets good results, it's OK.
I’m a left-sided golfer, but I never hesitate to think in right-sided terms if my left-sided thoughts aren’t working.
For example, if I can’t get the correct hip turn going back by thinking “turn the Left hip”, I’ll think “pull the right hip out of the way”. The same sort of thing often applies with the shoulders on the forward swing. My preferred thought is “move the left shoulder up and the left hip around.” But if that doesn’t seem to be working, I’ll try "move the right shoulder down and the right hip around.”
So long as the desired effect is achieved, I don’t think it matters at all which side you think about. In fact, it’s probably good to switch patterns occasionally, for the sake of striking a balance. Thinking one side or the other all the time can easily lead to exaggeration of a particular move.
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Old 08-03-2006, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by strav
I’m a left-sided golfer, but I never hesitate to think in right-sided terms if my left-sided thoughts aren’t working.
For example, if I can’t get the correct hip turn going back by thinking “turn the Left hip”, I’ll think “pull the right hip out of the way”. The same sort of thing often applies with the shoulders on the forward swing. My preferred thought is “move the left shoulder up and the left hip around.” But if that doesn’t seem to be working, I’ll try "move the right shoulder down and the right hip around.”
So long as the desired effect is achieved, I don’t think it matters at all which side you think about. In fact, it’s probably good to switch patterns occasionally, for the sake of striking a balance. Thinking one side or the other all the time can easily lead to exaggeration of a particular move.
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A swinger who fails to turn well can get great benefits by thinking of "hitting the ball with the back of the left shoulder" - as if you were breaking down a door with your left shoulder. A very good key to complete your backswing, a move which can overcome some errors in the backswing and allow for a proper on plane downswing. IMO - swinger - back of left shoulder - hitter - front of right shoulder.
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Originally Posted by jim_0068
You can get more players to get the right shoulder on plane by telling them to move their left shoulder up/back then telling them to get the right shoulder down plane.
James,

That is a sure fire recipe for round housing.

The left shoulder should not take any active part in the downswing and must only be left to respond to the dictates of its right sided cousin. If "righty" goes down and out then "lefty" has no where else to go other than up and in. Not so the other way round though!
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I think it works.

Esp. considering you pull from the left side.
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Old 08-04-2006, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by birdie_man
I think it works.

Esp. considering you pull from the left side.
Birdie,

I can see where you are coming from but considering that the left shoulder/arm, et al, are never on plane, but the right forearm, at impact, and the right shoulder, coming down plane into impact, must be, then the focus should be on them and not on an inactive, off plane, left shoulder.

Any downswing precipitated, and governed, by the left shoulder has to have an unacceptable potential for undesirable consequences.
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I know what you're saying....in that the right shoulder is what you should be monitoring alignment wise.....but I think there something not right about actually actively moving it downplane in the downswing.....that's just me though I guess.

I understand there are some people who like to do this....I think Jim has said it works for him.

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Any downswing precipitated, and governed, by the left shoulder has to have an unacceptable potential for undesirable consequences.
Ya you'd prolly be better off monitoring the hands a lot of the time....I think this is a doable thing tho. (without disasterous consequences or w/e)
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