Torque and Power in the Golf Swing

[lagster]

Hi Lagster, i always thought it was just the intention of driving the right shoulder down plane but it didn't actually move first (at least for a swinger anyway), but the movement was initiated in the feet and hips. Seems like to me that his talk of "pulling with the left shoulder" is actually very TGMish cause is sounds like he's just describing #pp4.

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Technically, you are correct that the first movements in the downswing are from the ground(feet). When talking about the role of the SHOULDERS, however, TGM rarely even mentions the left shoulder. Mr. Yoda has written many, many times about the role of the RIGHT SHOULDER, and how it's proper on plane motion accelerates the swinger's left arm.

Now, if a player likes to FEEL the left shoulder moving up and back instead of monitoring the RIGHT SHOULDER moving down towards the ball, and gets good results, it's OK.

Annikan's post here about sequencing etc., by the way, is very interesting.

[strav]

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When talking about the role of the SHOULDERS, however, TGM rarely even mentions the left shoulder. Mr. Yoda has written many, many times about the role of the RIGHT SHOULDER, and how it's proper on plane motion accelerates the swinger's left arm.

Now, if a player likes to FEEL the left shoulder moving up and back instead of monitoring the RIGHT SHOULDER moving down towards the ball, and gets good results, it's OK.

I’m a left-sided golfer, but I never hesitate to think in right-sided terms if my left-sided thoughts aren’t working.
For example, if I can’t get the correct hip turn going back by thinking “turn the Left hip”, I’ll think “pull the right hip out of the way”. The same sort of thing often applies with the shoulders on the forward swing. My preferred thought is “move the left shoulder up and the left hip around.” But if that doesn’t seem to be working, I’ll try "move the right shoulder down and the right hip around.”
So long as the desired effect is achieved, I don’t think it matters at all which side you think about. In fact, it’s probably good to switch patterns occasionally, for the sake of striking a balance. Thinking one side or the other all the time can easily lead to exaggeration of a particular move.
Jack Nicklaus 1974

[EdZ]

I’m a left-sided golfer, but I never hesitate to think in right-sided terms if my left-sided thoughts aren’t working.
For example, if I can’t get the correct hip turn going back by thinking “turn the Left hip”, I’ll think “pull the right hip out of the way”. The same sort of thing often applies with the shoulders on the forward swing. My preferred thought is “move the left shoulder up and the left hip around.” But if that doesn’t seem to be working, I’ll try "move the right shoulder down and the right hip around.”
So long as the desired effect is achieved, I don’t think it matters at all which side you think about. In fact, it’s probably good to switch patterns occasionally, for the sake of striking a balance. Thinking one side or the other all the time can easily lead to exaggeration of a particular move.
Jack Nicklaus 1974

A swinger who fails to turn well can get great benefits by thinking of "hitting the ball with the back of the left shoulder" - as if you were breaking down a door with your left shoulder. A very good key to complete your backswing, a move which can overcome some errors in the backswing and allow for a proper on plane downswing. IMO - swinger - back of left shoulder - hitter - front of right shoulder.